Not to put to finer a point on it, but of course being an atheist makes you stupid. It can’t not make you stupid if you try to take it seriously and not just half ass it the way the new atheist clowns do. Atheism implies a certain metaphysics about the world, this is unavoidable as the atheist cannot consistently hold to a metaphysics that logically concludes their is a creator.
As a result, with the thin and sub-standard metaphysics they are forced to embrace, they are forced to constantly deny things about that cannot fit and cannot exist.
The usual one they start denying is morality but when followed consistently, you need to deny, knowledge, mind, consciousness, reason, logic and ultimately even the idea of composite objects. Why they choose this part to nihilistic madness rather than embrace a generic theism (Deism cannot provide the metaphysical foundation either) is beyond me, but they do.
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PLEASSE learn when there/their/they're are to be used.
Atheist metaphysics do not propose a creator. That's why we're atheists.
Your top-down metaphysics is wrong. The universe works from the bottom up.
"Not to put to finer a point on it, but of course being an atheist makes you stupid."
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Not to put to finer point on it, but what does that sentence even mean?
The usual one they start denying is morality but when followed consistently, you need to deny, knowledge, mind, consciousness, reason, logic and ultimately even the idea of composite objects.
Yeah, no. You first have to show why these things would need a “creator” to exist.
Why they choose this part to nihilistic madness rather than embrace a generic theism (Deism cannot provide the metaphysical foundation either) is beyond me, but they do.
It is “beyond you” why atheists aren’t embracing theism !? But you think atheists are the stupid ones
Meanwhile, science, which does not care about fairy tales and gods actually works. When was the last time any religion managed to cure a disease or make a human fly?
To prove your point, you are invited to inoculate yourself with a deadly illness or to jump off the roof, just to see how far your god protects you.
"The usual one they start denying is morality but when followed consistently, you need to deny, knowledge, mind, consciousness, reason, logic and ultimately even the idea of composite objects..."
He's lost the plot. The only thing that we deny, is that there any Gods. Even that we don't deny emphatically. Show us any verifiable evidence for any Gods and we'll believe.
there is no inherent divine morality. One only has to look to other cultures to see that a countries or peoples morality is based on mans laws and not absolute, just mostly ageed upon.
This occurs because of things like some words you used but don't really understand or know how to properly apply. "knowledge, mind, consciousness, reason, logic" These are not divine, these are learned traits and values.
No God needed. And every moral value you can name precedes your religion by thousands of years. That's right John, most morals are older than your also man invented God.
If thinking critically and demanding evidence for claims instead of just accepting them because they were written in an ancient book make me stupid, then I'm proud to be dumb. I mean, I'm not the one who believes in talking snakes.
@ Doubting Thomas:
I agree. Though, with folks like the OP, Vox Day, WGC, etc., I'm beginning to believe in talking asses.
"The usual one they start denying is morality but when followed consistently, you need to deny, knowledge, mind, consciousness, reason, logic and ultimately even the idea of composite objects."
I'll certainly deny that you have any of things.
"Not to put to finer a point on it, but of course being an atheist makes you stupid."
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"their is a creator."
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"this part to nihilistic madness"
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Rainbows. They don't physically exist, but they can be seen . Thus the so-called 'Spiritual'/'Supernatural' is destroyed. Therefore there isn't a creator.
Why do you choose this path to the madness of being in that river in Egypt over proven scientific fact ?
Not to put too fine a point on it, but you have just walked into the argumental Claymore mine array of your own making, you who claim to be supposedly 'Superior' to we Atheists. >:D
".....thin and sub-standard metaphysics.....you need to deny, knowledge, mind, consciousness, reason, logic and ultimately even the idea of composite objects. Why they choose this part to nihilistic madness rather than embrace a generic theism......"
WHAT metaphysics? Sorry, but reality is sufficient. Do you even know what all those words mean? I don't mean just the big words either.
> Not to put to finer a point on it, but of course being an atheist makes you stupid.
Couldn't this be a quote on its own, with just about anything filled in for atheist?
"Of course being a woman makes you stupid."
"Of course being black makes you stupid."
"Of course being a Christian makes you stupid."
"Of course being poor makes you stupid."
With the exception of stupid-by-definition stuff ("Of course being closed-minded makes you stupid.") I fail to see how a sentence in this format can mean anything but bigotry.
Interesting fact: it is of course not necessary to believe that any creator of the universe (instigator of the big bang) is divine, hence "atheism" does not strictly imply one does not believe someone created the universe.
Of course, we have exactly 0 evidence that anyone did that (let alone influenced it afterwards) so there is no reason to postulate a creator if you didn't already assume one existed first.
Further more, you can take your nihilism and shove it someplace dark.
@Mister Spak: I have some doubts about the usefulness of the plot, given the vertical range. I would trust it more if it had an even distribution of IQs around 100...
>and ultimately even the idea of composite objects.
Hi, I'm FSTDT's resident mereological nihilist, and you're an idiot. Accepting compositional objects requires either Platonic Idealism (which doesn't necessitate your god and predates your religion anyway) or Conceptualism (for which existence or non-existence of god is irrelevent to).
>knowledge
You need to define knowledge first.
>mind, consciousness
I'm pretty sure most people acknowledge self-awareness. They may call it an illusion (I prefer resolution error, personally).
>reason, logic
Logic is a formal system of deriving conclusions for a given set of axioms. Denying the particular axioms you claim is not the same as denying the system.
Reason is more ambigous but a pithy definition could be "empiricised logic". And, yes, that is now a verb.
>morality
Ah, the big one. Here's a question for you. Why do you follow god's orders? If the answer contains the words heaven or hell, how is that different from hedonism? If your answer is "Because they're god's commands", how is that not "might is right"? If your answer is "because they're right", why is god needed?
@ Old Viking
This comment is by someone else on his website.
Regarding John C Wright himself, he was an atheist for most of his life but switched his theological viewpoint following a personal experience a few years ago.
By his own admission, when he was an atheist he would engage in endless arguments with his Christian wife over that. Thus demonstrating the point that whether atheist or religious an asshole is still an asshole.
@EG
"@Mister Spak: I have some doubts about the usefulness of the plot, given the vertical range. I would trust it more if it had an even distribution of IQs around 100...:
But then you would have to leave out the 'God is important' 80-100 percenters. Including these people skews the IQ score to the low end.
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