Ever notice how your entire theory hinges on mutation, but NO beneficial mutation has ever been observed? It's always retardation, extra arms, deformed dirty parts, and so on.
[Tempus posts an article titled, "The Milano mutation: A rare protein mutation offers new hope for heart disease patients"]
Tempus, I'm not going to bother reading that article because it's a lot of atheo-technobabble bologna. But I can tell you just from reading the title that there's no "mutation" going on there at all—God decided to heal some people who were sick. It's as simple as that. And you use this beautiful miracle as a way of SPITTING in God's face! Disgusting, disgusting, disgusting.
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Beneficial mutations are commonly observed. They are common enough to be problems in the cases of antibiotic resistance in disease-causing organisms and pesticide resistance in agricultural pests (e.g., Newcomb et al. 1997; these are not merely selection of pre-existing variation.) They can be repeatedly observed in laboratory populations (Wichman et al. 1999). Other examples include the following:
* Mutations have given bacteria the ability to degrade nylon (Prijambada et al. 1995).
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB101.html
@#313434: Unfortunately, her point is that mutations, by which she means random mutations, are never beneficial, since anything beneficial is caused by God, and hence not random.
Needless to say, this doesn't hold water.
The old, I don't believe in it and I refuse to read the article that has an example" type comment, huh?
It's always amazing to me that god will chose to heal some and kill others, though apparently medical science has nothing to do with the healing!
Virginia, PLEASE, before commenting read up on the evidence and don't blindly comment on something without doing a little research first.
So if it's bad, science did it, but if it's good, "God" did it.
Yeah, that definitely makes perfect sense. >_<
So classic it's tragic. A fundie demands proof, is given the proof, refuses to listen to the proof, and then relabels the proof as "goddidit."
Sorry, but after reading the last thread, I'm going to have to call Poe on this one. She claimed that there's no evidence of DNA because it's not mentioned in scripture, and that her uncle died in WWII because of evolution (Hitler believed in evolution, ergo, evolution killed her uncle). Waaay too over the line. But a good troll try, nonetheless.
"I'm not going to bother reading that article because it's a lot of atheo-technobabble bologna."
So, because you don't understand it; you reject it? Typical fundy to say the least.
And "dirty parts"? I prefer "naughty bits".
Ok, just read the whole thread.
Virginia and your sockpuppet Titus can stop trolling FSTDT now.
I want to do some real fundy-whacking.
Ginny:
Actually, most mutations are neutral -- human hair color for example. Anything of that sort that does not kill or cripple an organism falls into that category.
And it only qualifies as a miracle if it's investigated and no plausible cause can be found. You can't call it a miracle until it's been investigated.
..but NO beneficial mutation has ever been observed?
Hmm, since 1945 when pesticides became common, the numbe rof resistent insects has risen from 50 to over 400.
Not that it matters. Even when this guy is given evidence that directly contadicts what he says, he still can't accept it. Instead he ignores how wrong he is and equates being proven wrong with somehow hating God.
Actually you are wrong. Green eyes are a mutation, and there isn't a darned thing deformed, retarded or dirty about em.
As for disgusting, your blatant ignorance is disgusting and revolting.
This is sad. I just think they don't understand the meaning of words. "Facts" are something you can prove. Everytime you add 1 and 1 you will get 2, never 4, never 1. Evolution is a fact the theory is How it happens not that it does or why it does. Besides the resistance to drugs and diease and example of evolution is that people are taller. Now before you say something then why are there short people I will continue. After being isolated for a few thousand years the Pigmies a tribe living in the jungles of Africa where genetically built shorter the tallest pigmie was 4'7" other than that just like you or me in everyway. God didn't do it. Science did't do it. All things adapt to their environment. People as we know it won't become giants because short people do exist and we are not isolated but if you took all the tall people and seperated them from the short after tens of thousands of years we woouldn't be the same species anymore. Where along the line the can you say the change occurs depends on any other chnges besides height but one person will never give birth to another species. If my kid is an inch taller then me and theirs is them after several generations their is a noticable difference.
Sorry for this being long.
"Tempus, I"m not going to bother reading that article because it's a lot of atheo-technobabble bologna."
TRANSLATION: "La, la, la, la!!!! I can't hear you!"
deformed dirty parts, and so on.
You're allowed to say "genitals", "penis", "vagina", etc. Scientists aren't prudish to the point of hindering communication and resorting to baby-talk, unlike certain other groups we might mention.
Typical fundie defense mechanism:
Tempus, I'm not going to bother reading that article because it's a lot of atheo-technobabble bologna. But I can tell you just from reading the title that there's no "mutation" going on there at allGod decided to heal some people who were sick. It's as simple as that. And you use this beautiful miracle as a way of SPITTING in God's face! Disgusting, disgusting, disgusting.
Aruseus damn, what a closed 'mind'. I'm tempted to go take her on now.
Dear Virginia,
There is no Santa Claus.
However, as you have noted, the atheists will stoop to any ends to decry what is patently obvious: we are God's children.
I do not know if the Bible is literally true. But I do know by the evidence afforded, even, by a grain of William Blake's poetic sand, that Creation was no accident, and "evolution", however it was, was divinely guided by the Master Hand of God Himself. And yes, he is a He. And you stick to your guns. We'll leave a porch light on for the poor, self-deluding atheists who seem here to be fluttering nearer to the light.
J R
Translation from fundie to English: if a genetic change is bad, then it's a mutation. If it's good, then it's not a mutation; it's God's work. Ergo, all mutations are bad.
See also their somewhat related definition of "Christian": if someone does something bad, then they're not a Christian. If they do something good, then they are. Ergo, no Christians ever do anything bad.
"Dirty parts"? ROTFL!
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Well, fine, but any bets on the likelihood of Templeton's kids having any kind of academic career whatsoever? Not only are they likely homeskooled and taught God is the answer to every question, but they are taught to hate all intellectual pursuts as "atheo-technobabble".
I used to think this was a form of child abuse, and wanted to act to prevent it, but now? In the words of LOL cats everywhere: We are coming 4 yr jobz.
Of course, if it's something harmful, it's either science or the devil to blame. But if it's something beneficial, it's God's blessing.
"Tempus, I'm not going to bother reading that article because it's a lot of atheo-technobabble bologna."
Okay, enjoy sticking your head in the sand, I guess.
No, X-Men is not a documentary. Mutations are ALWAYS bad - THAT'S THE DEFINITION OF MUTATION!
And that "milano mutation" is not a mutation, rather, it is undeniable proof of a loving God that is carefully guiding development - Intelligent Design.
But I guess YOU PEOPLE don't agree, why am I not surprised?
No, Virginia, that's not how mutations work.
And Poe's law on your post anyway.
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