[But I agree with you about television. It is predominately pro evolution]
It is, however no single theory is ever put forward. Evolutionists are at war with themselves more than with creationists, for example i recently watched about 5 minutes of an evolution doctumentary about the origins of man, the clip showed one scientist arguing with another (quite strongly and harshly) over the Out Of Africa hypothesis Vs. the Multi-regional hypothesis. Both scientists were evolutionists but were calling each other ''wrong''.
The theory of evolution just seems to be in a great mess, evolutionists themselves can't even agree.
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TV is predominantly pro-evolution because it's only a minority of only Americans (in the western world anyway) that have a problem with evolution.
And arguing over the exact details of evolution doesn't mean either of them was doubting the principles of it.
'Evolutionists', as you dumb asses like to call them, are not at war with anyone. Evolutionary scientsts, like all scientists never take anything on faith, and issues as complex as evolutionary biology will always stir up questions and disagreements about some minor detail of the bigger picture. That's the nature of science.
The fact that some people would prefer to have faith exclusively in a bronze age anthology of Hebrew myths is only evidence of a war against intelligence.
The theory of evolution just seems to be in a great mess, evolutionists themselves can't even agree.
They agree on the basics. Not agreeing on the beginnings of said basics does not a community division make. Also, citation needed. I doubt two educated, adult scientists got into a heated argument over this.
You people can start whining about perceived divisions in other groups when you stop hating and alienating your own - other christians are not your enemies. When christians can admit similarities in core belief and stop pushing one another away for 'doing it wrong', perhaps you'll gain some credibility.
Also, just because I haven't said this to anyone yet today: fuck you.
@KittyKaboom:
I don't. Scientists can be really competitive.
A OhJohnNo: I'm married to one, and you're right, I have noticed a competitive edge. I just didn't think they'd get that worked up over a topic whose core they both agree on.
...but then, I don't have to work with one (lol).
But, if you notice, they're not arguing as to whether evolution actually takes place or not or the mechanics of how it works.
If you think two scientists arguing means that science is flawed, then you obviously don't understand that this is how science moves forward. For example, you don't just come up with the idea of eye beams and expect everyone to accept it as fact without someone arguing that it's complete bullshit.
Of course, you are right. At least Christians can agree on the details of their religion.
So, tell me:
- Is the pope the representative of god on earth?
Hm, Christianity just seems to be in a great mess, Christians themselves can't even agree.
This documentary was more than 10 years old.
We are now able to read SDNA sequences that show out of africa is correct.
Try not to be so backwards.
Also these two scientists knew the origin(s) of homo sapiens was 100K+ years ago, while your giant man turning dirt into people 6000 years ago isn't even wrong.
The difference is that when controversies rage in science eventually one side wins by getting evidence and the other side moves on and accepts it. When controversies rage in religion there is an irreparable schism and thousands of years of hatred despite the descendants having nothing to do with the squabbles of their ancestors. Oh, and the bloodshed. Can't forget about the bloodshed.
Evolutionists are at war with themselves more than with creationists
In science, being "at war" means vehemently disagreeing. In religion it means you're literally invading another country. Oh, and you want to claim that creationists are more in agreement than scientists? What's the age of the Earth? 6000? 10,000? 100,000? 4.5 billion? After all, that's not exactly a minor detail. And I haven't even gotten into any differences that define entire sects yet.
"Evolutionists are at war with themselves more than with creationists, for example i recently watched about 5 minutes of an evolution doctumentary about the origins of man, the clip showed one scientist arguing with another (quite strongly and harshly) over the Out Of Africa hypothesis Vs. the Multi-regional hypothesis."
Those would be covered under anthropology, not evolution.
"Both scientists were evolutionists but were calling each other 'wrong'"
That's what happens when there are competing explanations for things. That's why you have to have evidence to support your ideas, something creationists can't seem to figure out.
"The theory of evolution just seems to be in a great mess, evolutionists themselves can't even agree."
How many times does it have to be explained to you?
The Theory of Evolution is not under debate . No credible scientist in the appropriate fields questions the overall theory . What they argue with one another about, write papers on, and research is the minutia of how evolution works, and who is correct in their description of that, and not whether or not it does work.
@Canadia et al.: I think it has a lot to do with the (primarily authoritarian?) conceit that truth is inherently obvious. Controversy, because it implies confusion, can thus only come about if the root precept is erroneous in some way. And by corollary, anything other than consensus must have a root of someone performing willful deceit (default to Satanel if you can't find a human agent...never mind they were probably enticed BY Satanel in the first place).
What, scientists arguing over a point? That's crazy. Those crazy scientists. Christians never disagree on anyth-- Oh, wait.
They weren't even arguing whether or not evolution is true. Because denying evolution isn't science. Seriously, you can totally Google those theories. Please. Do it. Now. Learn something.
"Evolutionists are at war with themselves more than with creationists..."
Yes, that whole "Ethnic Cleansing" incident in the Biology Department. So sad.
The Out of Africa model is widely accepted by all anthropologists based on the fact that all of the earliest hominid fossils are found in Africa. Natural Selection is the theory of evolution put forward by Charles Darwin and in over 150 years no other competing theory has been able to surpass it, and it is the accepted model of evolution by everyone who studies in any biological field.
Scientists argue because they want to get to the truth or as close to it as possible, not because they're mad at each other.
Also while the specific orgins of a species may be up for debate, the method of evolution is not.
gee, scientists disagreeing on some details ! NEWS FLASH .. oh wait , thats just NORMAL.
Its a case of we dont know for certain what happened but here are several options. What evidence can we find that supports or disproves one possibility.
By we , I mean real scientists of course. Myself NOT included.
I'm not sure what exactly you mean by the multi-regional hypothesis, but I'm pretty sure the scientific consensus is that all life originated in Africa, and humans evolved from apes living in Africa.
Whatever the case, evolution isn't really that much of a mess. There are still hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of transitional fossils that support the theory.
Don't know much about science or engineering do you?
There's are lots of questions in evolution about how, when, where and why. There is no question about IF.
And can you believe these automobilists? They believe that internal combustion engines work, when just the other day I saw two of them arguing over which one had the right of way.
This is how you sound to us, Cassi...
"Both scientists were evolutionists but were calling each other ''wrong''."
And if you got them together and asked "Is evolution a fact?" they would immediately forget their dispute over origins, stand shoulder to shoulder, and say "YES!"
Yeah, that's how science works. Discussions are held, arguments are common. In the pursuit of enlightenment, change is frequent. Everything can be challenged. There is no single book or doctrine which must be adhered to. You do not understand evolution, therefor you familiarize it with something you do understand: Religion. Stop fucking doing that. It's annoying.
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