Science and the Bible agree perfectly. But scientists don’t always do good science. Consider the Galileo episode. For some 1200 years the consensus of scientists believed and taught others (like the religious leaders of their day) that the rest of the universe revolves around the Earth. Well, the consensus of scientists were wrong. What they believed and taught on that topic was in error. (The Bible does not say either way.) They fought against waht Copernicus and Galileo had come to realize from the scientific evidence. So it is important to make a distinction between what the scientific evidence indicates vs. what the consensus of scientists (using peer review/pressure) believe. They openly mocked Louis Pasteur. They denied Einstein’s relativity calculation for many years.
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And then the evidence was presented. Other people made the same experiments. Scientists reading the evidence and repeating the experiments they changed their minds.
Because, if you hadn't noticed, the scientists you mentioned haven't been mocked for quite some time.
This is the opposite of dismissing evidence out of hand without even thinking about it. Like some people do.
This is mostly right, except for the fact that the Bible claims that the Earth is flat and that stars are fixed in the sky. Now the thing here creationists is that you are not radical scientists who are right but are just being persecuted by the general consenses. You're just little fruit cups trying to hold onto dying beliefs.
The "scientists" of the time believed so not by per reviewed information, observation and tests, but because the Bible said so. Galileo did all that plus tried to demonstrate that the Bible actually agreed on that too...................that was ACTUALLY his mistake.
...The Bible does not say either way...
Complete rubbish.
"He established the earth upon its foundations, so that it will not totter, forever and ever." (Ps. 104:5)
There are also many references to the sun and stars moving:
And don't forget Joshua having God make a specially long day (as Josh hadn't finished his holy massacre of the Amorites). God held the Sun still, not the Earth.
The people who taught in error twelve hundred years before Galileo were not scientists (there was no scientific method to speak of until the tenth century anyway), they were almost all Abrahamic Literalists. They were wrong then and they're wrong today.
No, they didn't deny Einstein's relativity work for years.
It was the Catholics who taught the rest of the universe revolved around the Earth, and it was they who tortured Galileo for disagreeing with them.
And we have a little thing called the scientific method now.
Actually, the bible said everything revolved around the earth. Galileo tried to prove otherwise and was subsequently hunted down by church officials.
History Revisionism nthed
For some 1,700 years the consensus of scientists believed and taught others (like the religious leaders of their day) that the Earth was 6,000 years old, as it says in the Bible. Well, the consensus of scientists were wrong. What they believed and taught on that topic was in error. They fought against what Lyell and Darwin had come to realize from the scientific evidence: that the earth is far older than can be justified by the genealogies of Genesis.
Scientists make mistakes and correct them, but they rarely find out later that their corrections were wrong and go back to the old theory.
PS scientists didn't openly mock Pasteur. He was made director of the École Normale Supérieure de Lyon, the most prestigious of French science colleges, at the age of 32. He was a national hero and was awarded the Legion of Honor.
It was the Catholic church that contended with Galileo - not vague'scientists'. It was also the Catholic Church that condemned him to house arrest for life; and he's lucky he wasn't burnt alive at the stake.
James, I don't believe he was tortured. He was a friend of Cardinal Bellarmine, which no doubt saved him. However, the psychological pressure must have been intolerable.
Galileo didn't get in trouble for the heliocentric theory. Copernicus said the same thing almost a century earlier and no one bothered him. Galileo got hammered by the Catholic Church because he insisted he could prove it with scripture. And right in the middle of the Reformation, interpreting scripture yourself in opposition to the Catholic Church smacked of Protestantism. That's what Galileo got in trouble for. Martin Luther might get away with it in Germany, but damned if they'd allow it in Italy!
The Church offered him the opportunity to present the idea as personal speculation, but he didn't take it. And he really rubbed the Church's nose in it by putting the Pope's views in the mouth of a character called "Simplicio". Galileo's problems weren't about science; they were about politics.
"Well, the consensus of scientists were wrong. What they believed and taught on that topic was in error."
There wern't scientists you fucktard, they were fundie just like you. And they were wrong just like you.
Meh!, Ignoring the rubbish about the Bible this is in the same ballpark as being right. Science, as in the institution rather than the method, consists of human beings with the same character flaws as everyone else. Scientific paradigms tend to change when holders of the previous one die/retire not when they change their minds.
No. The church demanded their view was God-given and true. That's what Galileo was locked away for, disagreeing with the church.
Yes, some learned men knew what Galileo had evidence for for 1000s of year before but those views were outlawed by the church. No the church was NOT misled by "scientists" the church had an agenda to protect it's fable and punished any who dared to disagree.
"the consensus of scientists were wrong"
You wanna name this organization of scientists operating and comparing their work during the dark ages?
Ya, didn't think so. Right outta your arse or something you picked up from Ham,Comfort or Hovind. I've heard all three of them try to put the churchs primitive Biblical beliefs on this imaginary scientific community, sometimes the call it the Illuminiti just to really pile the shit on.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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