[Commenting on the Disney movie, The Chronicles of Narnia]
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"When that book was written the world was a safer/more innocent place"
This isn't true. Just look throughout history -- the world has never really been a "safer/more innocent place." The only difference throughout time is the methods that are available for people to use to harm others.
Never mind the whole analogy to the Christ myth in the Narnia books, or the fact that it was written by a Christian as such...
Project much Mr. Stewart?
Mr. Tumnus was trying to lure Lucy into his house BECAUSE THE WHITE WITCH ORDERED THAT ALL HUMANS BE CAPTURED. I have a feeling this guy has not even seen the movie, read the books, understands that C.S. Lewis was a devout Christians and is just talking shit.
Curiously enough, when I started to read the quote I assumed it was from Bro Randy.
Edit: The devil has a magic flute now? I blame it all on the Freemasons.
Of course, you never think that it is FUCKING FICTION, wrote by a very pious man who never thought something so nasty. Really, Davie, you, for this and for many other things, are a real nasty man.
Is this guy and Brother Randy related or something? I've never seen anyone be so wrong about so many things. Hey David, you talk like you were the only kid on his block breast fed by your father. Let me guess, your mother only wanted you for a friend huh?
I thought the idiot wacko who wrote the stupid book claiming that the Care Bears were agents of satan was bad enough ... but now I've seen everything. A fundie who reads paedophilia into The Chronicles of Narnia??? A Disney rendition of the story to boot?
Methinks the FBI might want to take a look at David J. Stewart's computer sometime (assuming of course that this nutjob is American). They might find the contents of his hard disc worthy of investigation ...
If ever one needed an example of how fundie-style hangups over sex poison the mind, this is THE classic. When your religion leads you to be incapable of watching a children's story written by someone who supposedly shared your own beliefs about god and used them as inspiration for said children's story without engaging in lurid imaginings about paedophilia, then your religion has become pathological to the point of being a public danger.
Calilasseia: It being a Disney version of the story, I wouldn't be shocked, to be totally honest... Disney movies have some very violent, sick things all disgused in some happy kiddie movie. Granted, having read the book (and not seen the movie >_> ), I know this idiot is completely wrong, but still: name 1 feature-length Disney movie that someone doesn't die in. :P
This guy is just one sick bastard.
Oh, and I'm not sure which version you watched, but "Snow White and the Seven Dwarves" has the old witch die in the end.
Oh, does she die? I admit it's been a few decades since I saw it, but, aside from Sleeping Beauty, most of the older Disney films had no character deaths, for the most part.
You know David, some of us can watch children's movies without thinking about child rape. I know you don't believe that but it's true, these problems are inside of you and you need to get help before 'Satan' 'tempts' you 'beyond your will' to do something very very bad.
Actually, I think there was definately supposed to be some sort of "stranger danger" vibe generated by the Lucy Tumnus interaction in the film... which I found a touch confronting, to be honest, as I never picked up anything similar from the book.
However, I never considered paedophilia to be implied, not for a moment, but I DID pick up that Lucy was clearly totally within the power of the faun in that scene. But I think Mr. Stewart has read a lot more into the scene than I ever did... taking a vague sense of unease and running with it until it is full blown child rape is pretty extreme...
Figured it was only a matter of time before someone broke out the Chris Hansen picture.
Anyway... there is no scene break. If there was a fade to black and then the scene where she wakes up, then maybe i could see your point. MAYBE.
It's funny, I lost a lot of appreciation for the Narnia books when I realized (with my remarkable skills in literary deconstruction) that they are in fact RABIDLY PRO-CHRISTIAN!
It's hilarious that this fundie's fear of atheists and Satan means he is totally misreading a sweet Christian children's book. Ever think Aslan's death on the stone table seemed a bit like someone else's? What about the 3rd book where Eustace is redeemed in a situation rather similar to some dude walking to Damascus?
I'll admit I'm no fan of the Chrinicles of Narnia (the book or the movie) but I don't think there's any molestation. If I remember correctly from the bit of the book I've read, Tumnus was crying because he sold the girl to the Ice Queen, or something like that.
You know, the author does have a point. A Christian C.S. Lewis scholar (who is supportive of Lewis' writing) once told me that the Tumnus subplot was really a reworking for children of classical legends dealing with Fauns seducing young girls in the woods. In "Prince Caspian," Aslan and the kids also participate in a toned-down version of a Bachanalian orgy. The pagan wine gods Bacchus and Sylvanus make an appearance with a wild Maenads, and there's lots of dancing and wine. It's a cute scene, but if you know the mythology behind it, it does seem a little weird.
Frankly, I'm kind of baffled that fundies have embraced C.S. Lewis, whose views of Christianity were fairly liberal and syncretistic. There is plenty of paganism in the Narnia books, and some of his other writings, like "Till We Have Faces," are fully pagan in their outlook. "That Hideous Strength" and the other two volumes of Lewis' space trilogy deals with occultic themes and is rooted in a worldview that is based on Platonic philosophy and Theosophy. Lewis is squarely in the tradition of Joseph Campbell and C.G. Jung, and he saw Jesus as simply the fulfillment of pagan myth dealing with the themes of death, burial, and resurrection. Don't get me wrong; I'm not knocking Lewis. I share his views, in fact. It just amazes me that so many evangelicals have embraced his worldview.
Pan? Sexually perverted? Paedophilia?
David, just come out of the closet already.
And that whole post reminds me of Pan's Laberynth, in all its bloody glory.
Boy are you wrong. The chronicles of narnia were written to seduce children into christianity. The white witch represented Satan, not Tumnus. Tumnus chooses to defy her. Maybe you should have watched more than 5 minutes before you decided it was about molestation. Why would your mind automatically go there anyway?
Just an edit for those who don't remember the books that well. In that scene Mr. Tumnus is in the employ of the white witch. If he ever came across a son of Adam or daughter of Eve, he was to capture it and hand it over to the white witch. So when he comes across one, he invites her over for tea. He then uses magic to lull her to sleep, (that's why he plays the flute). But Lucy was so lovely and she made him feel guilty (his father would never work for the witch!) he decided to let her go. When he says "I've done a very bad thing" he is referring to kidnapping a child. It's quite funny in the book, where he's trying to explain to Lucy that he's kidnapped her and she doesn't get it. So then he has to sneak her back to the wardrobe without the witch's spies seeing him do it. Unfortunately, Edmund rats him out later on and he gets turned to stone.
Boah, Tumnus is similar to Pan, who, shockingly enough, is similar to the devil!!! Miiight that be because satan is based on PAN, not the other way around?
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