Andy Schlafly #fundie

Andy Schlafly #fundie conservapedia.com

You still won't admit that the vast majority of inventions have been American? Look, you have free will to deny basic facts, but your denial is astounding....

If you were genuinely interested in logic, then you'd spend some time reading or translating the Bible, the most logical book of all. But I suspect you're more interested in trying to reject the Bible than giving it equal time in your activities. Am I right?

["I'm Plymouth Brethren, rejecting the bible isn't in my "Modus Operandi"]

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old comment by Wehpudicabok

Andy Schlafly Speech Deconstructed:

You still won't admit that <ridiculous assertion that, in my mind, somehow would support the conservative cause>? Look, you have free will to deny basic facts, but your denial is astounding....

If you were genuinely interested in logic, then you'd <do something to keep you off of my site>. But I suspect you're more interested in <bizarre misinterpretation of your position>. Am I right?

What's fun is that this works for pretty much anything he says on a talk page. He's so predictable, RationalWiki even has a quote generator just for him! (Unfortunately I can't link to it as the site appears to be down right now... check it out later)

old comment by Horus IX

"You still won't admit that the vast majority of inventions have been American? Look, you have free will to deny basic facts, but your denial is astounding...."

Not the vast majority...but a damn good portion. Not that it even matters, but most of the inventions are either useless or have been modified and updated by other countries. E.G. Video Games; invented in 1948; Modified and updated by JAPAN (Nintendo mainly) in the eighties. ATARI was good...but Japan did it better.

"If you were genuinely interested in logic, then you'd spend some time reading or translating the Bible, the most logical book of all. But I suspect you're more interested in trying to reject the Bible than giving it equal time in your activities. Am I right?"

You are right...I have better things to do than translate a book in which most of the original texts no longer exist and the current versions are as fraudulent as your website Mr. Schlafly.
Here is a list I don't give equal time to: Xbox360, Unicorns, Your mom, fairy tales, Santa Claus, Criminals, Stupid people, WoW players, shallow women, etc. etc. etc.
Here is some logic for you:
P1. You don't understand reality.
P2. You deny reality for your own version of it.
C. You are a fucktard in need of a reality check.

"["I'm Plymouth Brethren, rejecting the bible isn't in my "Modus Operandi"]"

And I'm Horus IX, rejecting myths for what the are is in my "Modus Operandi" and you are still a douchebag.

Source for video games:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_inventions_(1890-1991)

old comment by The L

The wheel. The house. The flying buttress. The window--glazed or unglazed. Shutters. Doors. The brake. The rudder. The sail. Kitchenware of all kinds. The boat. The cart. The knapsack. The table, chair, pallet, bed, sofa, chaise lounge, and other kinds of furniture. The compass and sextant. Mapmaking. Writing. Painting and sculpture. Tents. Silk and other textiles. Cooking and baking, and the products thereof. The printing press. Locks and keys. Scissors, needles, knives. Hundreds of different musical instruments. Herbal infusions, including tea. Alcoholic beverages such as wine, beer, mead, vodka, whiskey, sake, and gin. Coffee. Agriculture. Plows, hoes, rakes, trowels, scythes, brooms, mops, dustrags. Swords, gunpowder, guns, armor (plate mail, chain mail, scale mail, helmets), siege engines, castles, cannons, ballistas, catapults, trebuchets. Plumbing (invented by the Romans). I could go on for hours.

All of the above were invented by either primitive people EVERYWHERE, or by Europeans and Asians before Europeans came to America.

old comment by Horsefeathers

"You still won't admit that the vast majority of inventions have been American?"

There's 200+ other countries currently and quite a few thousand years prior to the founding of the United States that you don't seem to have accounted for.

"If you were genuinely interested in logic, then you'd spend some time reading or translating the Bible, the most logical book of all."

You seem to be as well acquainted with logic as you are with reality.

"But I suspect you're more interested in trying to reject the Bible than giving it equal time in your activities."

Sounds like a reasonable thing to do to me.

"Am I right?"

No. You're not. About anything. Ever.

old comment by Anon-e-moose

"You still won't admit that the vast majority of inventions have been American?"

Beer: ancient Sumeria
The Steam engine: James Watt (UK)
The Electric motor: Michael Faraday (UK)
The Vacuum Cleaner: Hubert Cecil Booth (UK)
The internal combustion engine: Samuel Brown (UK); Patented and mass-produced: Karl Benz (Germany)
Radar: Robert Alexander Watson-Watt (UK)
The Jet Engine: Frank Whittle (UK)
The first jet airliner (deHavilland Comet): UK
The first supersonic airliner (Concorde): France/UK
Stereo sound: Alan Blumlein (UK)
Holograms: Dennis Gábor (UK)
Pocket Calculator: Clive Sinclair (UK)
Electronic Digital watch: Clive Sinclair (UK)
Pocket Television: Clive Sinclair (UK)
Creating Stable materials for LCD displays: George Gray & Ken Harrison (UK)
Fibre optics in telecommunications: Charles K. Kao & George Hockham (UK)
Concept of telecommunications satellites: Arthur C. Clarke (UK)
The Hovercraft: Christopher Cockerill (UK)
The Television: John Logie Baird (UK)
Viagra: messrs. Dunn, Wood, Terrett (Pfizer, UK)

First programming language: Charles Babbage & Ada Lovelace (UK)
The digital computer: Colossus (UK), Z1 (Germany).
Concept of the Computer Operating System: Alan Turing (UK)
First Supercomputer (Atlas): UK
The concept of large-scale networking of computers (before ARPANET): Belgium.
Architecture of ARM CPUs (used in 98% of all mobile phones and all smartphones): UK
First digital media player (audio; MP3s): Kane Kramer (UK)
The WWW: Tim Berners-Lee (UK)

I love the smell of destroyed arguments in the morning. Smells like... victory.

"Look, you have free will to deny basic facts, but your denial is astounding...."

Here is Andy Schaftafly's current location:

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"If you were genuinely interested in logic, then you'd spend some time reading or translating the Bible, the most logical book of all."

The way you are? PROTIP: Once you get to Revelation 22:18-19, you're fucked. Scholars/theology professors, to say nothing of the rest of the mainstream of the right-wing Fundamentalist Christian establishment in the US, who'll critically and literally tear you a new one, Andy.

"But I suspect you're more interested in trying to reject the Bible than giving it equal time in your activities. Am I right?"

I already have done in the past. Cover to cover. And (from your point of view) that's the problem (again, from your point of view). Ergo my being an Atheist. QED.

["I'm Plymouth Brethren, rejecting the bible isn't in my "Modus Operandi"]

(*Puts hands to face, palms outwards, fingers down; wiggles fingers*)

'Oooooh, Modus Operandi!' X3

[/Fast Show]

old comment by Brain_In_A_Jar

My favourite bit of that page is when a patently more rational and better read contributor makes a cogent argument, complete with Harvard fucking Referencing to the data supporting it, and all Andy can hit back with is basically "YOU LIE!" and a refusal to consider the argument on its own merit until the arguer takes some kind of bullshit open-mindedness test which, as any sane person knows, is purest ad hominem.

The test's a hoot, by the way. The majority of "questions" are written in a manner that would give even the most manipulative, shameless tabloid journalist reason to cry "steady on," expressly (and crudely) designed to elicit the admission of even the vaguest possibility of doubt which would, of course, be seized upon by Schlafly as a full admission of heinous error and vile sin, but some of them are simply staggering in their ignorance. The fact that the so-called "open-mindedness" test mostly insists you take a stance on the possibility or impossibility of various assertions without any reference to any evidence for or against them, whilst guaranteeing that any intellectually honest person answers the "right" way, also of course makes it utterly meaningless for any practical application to observable reality.

I'm amazed anybody there is bothering to write carefully considered, multi-paragraph rebuttals with supporting evidence when all Andy ever seems to respond with is slurs and accusations of lying, jingoistic boasting, fallacious analogies for things he patently knows nothing about, and statistically worthless personal anecdotes with nary a citation in sight, not to mention liberal (heh, more semantic irony!) abuse of the banhammer.

old comment by Angua

I'm sorry, but exactly where did you get the idea that most inventions have been American from? Surely not history itself.

And given that I don't know either Hebrew or Greek, I'm sorry, but I can't translate the Bible myself and am forced to read other people's translations. But I have spent time reading the Bible and I honestly have to wonder, Andy, have you read a single line? Because it is most certainly not the most logical book of all.

The Harry Potter series is more logical than the Bible, the Discworld series is more logical than the Bible, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is more logical than the Bible.

Whatever virtues the Bible may have, "logical" is not one of them. The only ways I can see anyone honestly calling the Bible the "most logical book of all" is if 1.) that person hasn't so much as opened the Bible, or 2.) the only book that person has ever opened it the Bible so they have nothing to compare it too, or 3.) they are using some definition of "logical" previously unknown to every other English-speaking person on the planet.

old comment by Prof. Bill Hill

As a conscientious scientist, I love studying the Bible. If it's logic you want, then the Bible is your best bet. I'm currently doing a project with some of my students, we're building a computer according to the instructions in Genesis, (one wag said we should call it an apple, ha ha!, he won't be laughing quite as heartily when we turn to Leviticus next year and start delving deeply into string theory). Of course, our ultimate goal for this term is to make a working replica of the type of computer Moses used.

Last term we successfully manufactured an authentic dinosaur riding crop, as used by Jesus and other busy middle eastern commuters of the period. Though, I did omit the chapters that deal with super science for super villains, so we never made replicas of shrinking rays or flying cars etc. Still, we learned all about atoms and magnetism from Deuteronomy and Judges. I can't emphasize enough how handy a science text the Bible is and highly recommend for it for all science students.

old comment by SleepNeed

Seriously? The majority of inventions are American? Somehow I doubt that this country that has existed for less than 250 years has come up with the majority of inventions in the history of mankind.

You know the computer your using Andy to type? The so called father of modern computing (and rightfully so) was Alan Turing who was English for example. The idea of communications using geostationary satellites? Arthur C. Clarke, a Brit. The car you drive? The first modern automobile was not by Henry Ford but by Karl Benz, a German. And these are just in the past 200 years that I can think of off handed, there are literally hundreds (if not thousands) more and it increases the further back you go.

old comment by Night Jaguar

Andy seems to think only one nationality can be good at any skill. For example, similiarly to the above quote, he wrote that most great composers were German. When given examples like Vivaldi, Verdi, Haydn, Tchaikovskhy, and Mozart he dismissed them as "obscure composers".

He also said the British were notoriously weak at math. As you can imagine counterexamples were given and he rationalized then away: Newton (he was 'pre-British' and 'pre-modern'), Alan Turing (overhyped by liberals and a computer geek, not a mathematician(as if those were mutually exclusive)), Bertrand Russell (not a mathematician, a poltical hack), etc.

He lives in a completely different universe than the rest of us. A scary, scary, universe.

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Andy seems to think only one nationality can be good at any skill.

Sadly, that sort of thinking not all that uncommon. I call it the one-hero-one-villain mindset. It describes, for example, why many conservative fundies lump atheists, socialists, communists, academics and liberals into one big, nebulous group, or why a lot of people can't see Apple for the corporate monstrosity that would dictate our lives to us that it is simply because Microsoft already fills that role; the idea that there could be more than one bad guy, or more than one good guy, or even many disparate groups that cannot ever be considered "all good" or "all bad," simply won't fit into some people's heads. Sadly, the bible and its ilk exemplify and promote this mindset; what with it only allowing for anything to be classified as either "godly" or "ungodly," with nothing in between and nothing exempt.

old comment by Anon-e-moose

@Albionic

"Paper money-Chinese"

Whisky: Chinese
Negative numbers: Chinese
Concept - and use - of '0' (Zero) in their numerical system: ancient Mayan (PROTIP: 0 - along with '1' is the basis of Binary. Without that, we wouldn't have digital computers, Andy Schaftafly).

Oh, and one more thing:

Algebra: Islamic

Have I blown your mind, Andy?

@Albionic

"The first American space rockets were essentially modified German A4 rockets - or V2s."

Messrs. Armstrong, Aldrin & Collins would never have made it to the Moon, if it weren't for a certain Wehrner von Braun, and his engine designs that contributed greatly to NASA's success in their space programme then, before and since. A captured Nazi rocket scientist. America never had a single V2 land on their soil, but they certainly felt the scientific - and Cold War political - benefit.

To say nothing of all those Fieseler Fi-103s - a.k.a. V1s - the US forces captured at Peenemunde; the reverse-engineering of such ultimately led to the technological evolution of the modern Cruise Missile.

And don't you think it curious Andy, how the engines in all early USAF jets looked exactly like those from captured Messerschmitt Me-262s?

old comment by Anon-e-moose

@Night Jaguar

"He also said the British were notoriously weak at math. As you can imagine counterexamples were given and he rationalized then away: Newton (he was 'pre-British' and 'pre-modern'), Alan Turing (overhyped by liberals and a computer geek, not a mathematician(as if those were mutually exclusive)), Bertrand Russell (not a mathematician, a poltical hack), etc."

Well, just three words can utterly destroy what Andy Schaftafly says about 'weak British mathematicians' (emphasis added):

Professor Stephen Hawking. Ergo...:

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QED.

"He lives in a completely different universe than the rest of us. A scary, scary, universe."

Or his own dimension, what I call the USA: the Unimaginable State of Americentricism.

Andy Schlafly #fundie conservapedia.com

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