[From the guy who "knows more about science than you can ever hope to know," replying to 'mitochondria are a membrane based ion pump coupling ATP synthesis with the krebs cycle'.]
That is about as clear as mud. Can you explain this at a high school level or is this beyond what a high school student is able to understand?
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"That is about as clear as mud. Can you explain this at a high school level or is this beyond what a high school student is able to understand?"
That depends on the high school student -- i.e., whether or not he is of at least normal intelligence, has read the assignments, and has paid attention in class. If so, then he should easily be able to follow this. If not -- well, as the judge said in Caddyshack , "The world needs ditch diggers, too."
It is refreshing, at least, to see JohnR7 finally admitting to his level of ignorance for a change.
~David D.G.
Now, I can't remember it all now, and things like the Krebs cycle didn't quite click with me, but we did go over all this stuff in my Honors Biology class my freshman year.
In fairness, the statement isn't right and doesn't make sense.
Mitochondria are *organelles* (small, distinct subcompartments within a cell), not ion pumps.
They contain transmembrane (not membrane-based) ion pumps (and other proteins that aren't ion pumps but are essential to the process), which couple respiration of substrates to ATP synthesis. They don't couple ATP synthesis only to the Krebs cycle.
@fundie
"[From the guy who this is the guy who more about science than you can ever hope to know, replying to 'mitochondria are a membrane based ion pump coupling ATP synthesis with the krebs cycle'.]
That is about as clear as mud. Can you explain this at a high school level or is this beyond what a high school student is able to understand?"
Definitely a candidate for TDR's Fundie Word Redefintion project: when a fundie says s/he "knows more about science than anyone could ever hope to know", the fundie really means s/he doesn't have a post-high school science education.
As others have said, I've forgotten most of my biology and can't remember what exactly ATP synthesis is, although I do remember learning about this stuff in high school Biology and could probably refresh my memory with a quick read.
I think the problem here is not that these were unknown, but the refusal to research them independantly, and the insistence that they be explained on a basic level.
I'm not much of science guy, so I didn't know what ATP synthesis or the krebs cycle was. It took me about 30 seconds on google to learn.
I hate how ignorance is used to avoid debate.
I remember dealing with mitochondria, ATP synthesis, and the Krebs cycle back in my last year of HIgh School in 1976. Perhaps they're not touching on all these subjects in all biology classes in all states down south (I'm in Canada), particularly these days.
It would explain the high proportion of individuals who believe they came from dirt.
I don't know; JohnR7 has said some dumb stuff in the past, but his doesn't seem like an unreasonable question, especially since 'mitochondria are a membrane based ion pump coupling ATP synthesis with the krebs cycle' is not an especially useful or accurate definition. Of course, JohnR7 spoils it with his boasting ...
I never paid much attention in biology, so this doesn't ring any bells. It does, however, play the tuba.
Incidentally, what makes this TDR's Fundie Word Redefinition Project??!
It's been forever since I took cytology, but I do believe that entire explanation given is utter bullshit.
Also, they would have explained all the big words in high school, to introduce the concepts to 15-year olds at a comprehensive level. You would know that if yer Maw and Paw ever sent you to get you some a' that there big-city schoolin'.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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