(On Obama's health care bill)
This question is easily solved: If the bishops are against the bill, they are right. If the bishops support the bill, they are wrong and acting against tradition and the teachings of the Catholic Church. If they support the bill, they are modernists and could get excommunicated.
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I say "meh," and here's why:
As an ex-Catholic (and one who was rather devout and studious back in the day), I have to admit that this fundie's technically correct in this assertion. There are numerous Church documents that can be used to back him up (e.g. Mirari Vos in 1832 by Gregory XVI and the Syllabus of Errors in the 1860's put out by Pius IX).
Though, just because he's actually stating a technical fact here doesn't mean he's always right (or sane--our "friend" Zeth here is known for some rather fundie spew himself).
I am curious though as to hear what the traditionalist and sedevacantist Catholics have to say about it without disparaging the very freedoms and democracy in which many of them proudly inhabit. That I am certain would be a fundie goldmine in itself.
With all that said, Zeth is also missing a rather key point though and this is where I criticise him: the U.S. bishops are constrained by separation of church and state. Technically speaking, those bishops have been acting against "tradition and the teachings of the Catholic Church" since the 1860's, and probably earlier--even if Vatican II is taken into account. So, with that in mind, does it really matter what the bishops do with the new law? And further, since we are a secular society (and definitely NOT a Christian nation), should we really take the bishops seriously on political issues?
You mean the traditions and teachings of the Catholic Church to help those less fortunate, to cure the sick, to comfort the dying, to care for the children?
Those teachings and traditions?
'If the bishops support the bill, they are wrong and acting against tradition and the teachings of the Catholic Church.'
BULLSHIT. The Vatican has NO such official position. What Zealot Zeth is quoting is the official position of the Rethuglican Party, most of whom are fundies to start with.
Fun fact: If you rape children or murder 10 million people including 6 million Jews, you won't be excommunicated, however... "If they support the bill, they are modernists and could get excommunicated."
The Catholic Church supported the Nazis', does that mean the Nazis' campaign to destroy the Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, Communists, and political dissidents was right.
You'd think that the Catholic Church would be keeping a low public profile at the moment. Clerical opinion seems to be tainted by current events and not worth the air it is muttered upon. It is the time of apologists, the very worst of human scum.
If I was a Catholic, I'd excommunicate myself.
Sorry Zeth but you're committing the logical fallacy of not agreeing with me. That renders your entire argument invalid.
(Wow you're right, logic is easier when you invent your own rules!)
Good!
Witness now: The Catholic church, no worse than any other, rounding the wagons against justifiable and long overdue complaints. A real compassionite church would admit to the problem by now. Again: None of you are better Christians. You all round those wagans against justifiable and long overdue accountability.
Same as it ever was.
So in other words, anyone who doesn't follow your rules is wrong?
What did the Bible say about pride?
Translation: If the bishops support MY ideas and feelings on the matter, Hallelujah and praise them, they are good people, God bless them! If not... fuck em and their gonna burn in hell those bastards! *spits*
amiright?
Just curious:
When was the last time a Bishop was Excommunicatted?
And why?
Cause we ALL know it wasn't from raping children. And we ALL know Christians defend their priests when they do this.
I'll take the secular route on this, thank you.
@Random Lurker
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