Atheists: Who or what created everything?
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Christians:
God is not valid, because then who created god? "I don't know" is not a good answer because your whole philosophy is grounded in ignorance.
Every time I debate fundies I wonder if they are honing their skills as three stooges scriptwriters.
THE IRONY! IT BUUUURNS!
"If you don't believe that God made everything, then how did it come into existence?"
I don't know. That doesn't make GODIDIT a good answer.
Where do you get the idea that something has to be created to exist?
No.
I believe a book for which there is no proof whatsoever isn't ignorant you say? I just don't believe anything there isn't proof for. If that means I can't explain certain things, that doesn't make you right.
Please don't construe this as support for your inanities kdanley, but if as you say "your whole philosophy is grounded in ignorance." , then "I don't know" is a perfectly acceptable, nay, ideal and correct answer.
But, as you are an idiot, we can just forget that little break with logic.
"I don't know" is not a good answer because your whole philosophy is grounded in ignorance.
If you're actually ignorant, what's wrong with admitting it, as opposed to insisting it was done by magic because that's what your parents or your pastor or some book by a bunch of bronze age Arab goat herders told you?
"I don't know" is not a good answer because your whole philosophy is grounded in ignorance.
If my philosophy was grounded in ignorance, I think "I don't know" would be a perfectly acceptable answer...
"Evolution is not valid, because it is scientifically and mathematically impossible"
How so? Please give details, without referencing the bible.
[Atheists: Who or what created everything?]
That's the big question, isn't it?
[If you don't believe that God made everything, then how did it come into existence?]
I don't know. Nobody does.
[Aliens is not a good answer, because then who created the aliens?]
EXACTLY .
Now, replace the word "aliens" with "God"...
[Evolution is not valid, because it is scientifically and mathematically impossible.]
On what grounds?
["I don't know" is not a good answer because your whole philosophy is grounded in ignorance.]
"I don't know" is the honest answer. Nobody knows . How is that ignorant?
Just saying "Goddidit" without even the slightest trace of evidence is hardly constructive.
At least we atheists know that we humans are very ignorant about the universe, in particular it's beginning. Scientists work every single day to close that gap however.
Creationists however, are willfully ignorant and disrespectful of even the things we do know to be true, such as the scientific theory of evolution.
What was the old saying..."The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing." - Socrates
Or to take a passage from your own Bible (one of my favorites by the way):
"The way of a fool seems right in his own eyes, but a wise man listens to counsel." - Proverbs 12:15
Frequently, the answer "I don't know" is the beginning of a search for answers to the question at hand. For instance, when the question "What happens to food after we eat it?" led to research that opened a whole new field of biology/anatomy. "I don't know" is the gateway to knowledge.
However it all happened, it was most certainly NOT "created" by some blood-drunk foreskin-munching misogynist goblin whose only godlike attribute is his perverted demanding ego.
As for the biological aspect, I'm inclined to accept the combination of "panspermia", lunar tidal cycles, and an anoxic Earth atmosphere as a working hypothesis.
Actually, the answer "I don't know" is what got us out of the caves and early death, and behind computers, whining about fictional deities.
Of course, that answer has to be followed by "Let's go find out", and not with "It must have been god, let's not think about it anymore", in order for us to learn things.
Evolution is not valid, because it is scientifically and mathematically impossible.
Pro-tip: Claiming something is mathematically or scientifically impossible, without giving so much as a single equation or derivation, will make any real scientist or mathematician laugh in your face.
"Atheists: Who or what created everything?"
Don't know. We're working on it.
"If you don't believe that God made everything, then how did it come into existence? Aliens is not a good answer, because then who created the aliens?"
Replace "aliens" with "god" and you'll see why you're not making quite the stunning argument you believe you are.
"Evolution is not valid, because it is scientifically and mathematically impossible."
Really? Cite the biological and mathematical journals that state this.
"I don't know" is not a good answer because your whole philosophy is grounded in ignorance."
Grand discoveries normally are. Admitting you don't know or understand the how or why of something is the first step to knowledge.
Damn it! That's three keyboards and six irony meters in a WEEK. There's got to be a fundy headquarters or something I can send an invoice to.
First, evolution is not an explaination of how everything came into existence. Second, how in the hell is evolution mathematically impossible. Third, "I don't know" is a hell of a better answer than creationism, which is a more ignorant view than simply not knowing. Damn fundies.
Irony is strong with this one.
You hate the idea that, everything just got created for no apparent reason?
You're using the internet and posting on a computer. You think ignorance created them?
Next time, to make your point valid, use smoke signals.
Actually, "I don't know" is a fabulous answer, since it lets us then conduct some experiments, come up with theories (I know-another dirty word to xians), and have a discussion among interested individuals on what might have happened, thus expanding our knowledge. I know this sort of thing is a bit beyond someone who is satisfied with goddidit, but magic fairies isn't the answer for most thinking people.
Unfortunetly there is not one big event that created everything as it is that you would like to believe.
-The Big Bang formed all matter, energy, and space.
So the question isn't who created the Universe? The question is what formed these different things, and how are they all related. Welcome to science, leave your religion at the door.
And lastly "I don't know" is the best answer ever, because it means that there is still lines of inquiry to uncover, and new things to learn.
Evolution is not valid, because it is scientifically and mathematically impossible.
You are aware that evolution has nothing to do with the creation of the universe, right? Right?
Atheists: Who or what created everything?
The Bible. Christian doctrine. 'Faith'.
Christians: Who or what created God? If you don't believe that the Big Bang formed everything, then how did God create the universe? 'Because the Bible says so' is not valid, because it doesn't give exact, precise information on how God did so (detailed diagrams, equations, formulae etc). "The Bible says so" is not a good answer because your whole belief is grounded in ignorance.
Galileo. Newton. Darwin. Einstein. Hawking. And soon, the LHC will find the Higgs-Boson particle, and explain what happened before Planck Time. Scientific FACT.
I know which one I'm going for.
What's wrong with saying "I don't know"? That's the question that led to us having the modern conveniences we do, such as air-conditioning, phones, computers, etc.
And I guess the theory that we came from the stars - literally, I read once that someone suggested that meteors (meteorites?) hitting the plant carried whatever materials were needed to make life come to fruition on Earth - is too close to "aliens" for this one.
You know, the whole reason science works is because the universe, or at least our little slice of it, fundamentally works in a consistently orderly fashion. There's no particular reason as to why this should be so, really, the anthropic principle notwithstanding, and frankly I think that's a pretty major question that Christians (and religionists of most stripes) seem to miss or ignore.
@Elia
That idea is called panspermia (though technically it's exogenesis, not panspermia) and has been embraced by a few famous individuals, most notably the late Fred Hoyle.
How can fundies say evolution is impossible when they don't have a single clue of how it works ?
"I don't know" is nearly the best answer you can give, if you are willing to learn.
If you don't believe that God made everything, then how did it come into existence? Aliens is not a good answer, because then who created the aliens?
Oh yeah? If you don't believe that aliens made everything, then how did it come into existence? God is not a good answer, because then who created God? HA HA.
As everyone has already said; "then who created God?".
Evolution might the scientific theory with the most evidence behind it, and the most tested theory. It is both scientifically and mathematically (redundancy much?) possible.
"Aliens is not a good answer, because then who created the aliens?"
At which point my irony meter went nuclear and took out half the street and an overhead Airbus.
Evolution, which came several billion years after the universe, is not only possible but pretty nearly inevitable. You're using the argument that (1) you don't understand that chemistry isn't random, and (2) you have no clear concept of very large numbers because you don't have enough toes.
“Atheists: Who or what created everything?”
“If you don't believe that God made everything, then how did it come into existence?”
“Aliens is not a good answer, because then who created the aliens?”
“Evolution is not valid, because it is scientifically and mathematically impossible.”
“"I don't know" is not a good answer because your whole philosophy is grounded in ignorance.”
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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