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Israel is a tiny strip of land (even for a population that small) and in constant threat of war and yet they're way better developed and less corrupt. And that's just one country off the top of my head.

European countries got fucked in the ass twice just within the last century. Japan was nuked twice less than that. And they have an earthquake problem.

Losing some territories well over a century ago (almost 2) is not why Mexico is doing so poorly today. It's just an excuse. Nobody's buying it though.

And in any case not a basis for tolerating illegal immigration. It's US territory now, deal with it. US rules apply.

You want to dispute that and essentially restart that war on behalf of Mexico?

...

Yeah didn't think so.

On a side note, Mexico doesn't tolerate illegal immigration.

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old comment by IllegalsSuck

Word of advice to some in the comments section, if you don't understand the context, maybe you should read what the context is.

@nazani14
"Ah, the simplistic mind, where complex geopolitical realities and history can be reduced to skin tone."

Do you remember the story of the boy who cried wolf?

@Demon Duck of Doom

"Statue of Library"

Does not compute.

Also, what you just said is not a solid basis for public policy anyway.

@Some Christian Anon

Illegal to a country that didn't exist? No. Aside from the fact that this is the "two wrongs make a right" fallacy, the premise isn't even true.

There was no country to be an illegal to. All you had was some Native American tribes and vast untapped wilderness that nobody in particular had any claim to. It was largely a no man's land. There was no central government, no borders, no army, no police force, no courts, no vast infrastructure that stretched all over the continent. The colonists were not "illegal immigrants" in any sense of the word. Morally speaking there would have been no issue with establishing a colony or even a new government on this new land as long as they left the natives alone.

I mean seriously, if you were to build a couple of small communities on Mars, would you have a legitimate claim to ALL of Mars? Probably not. You'd only have a claim to your immediate vicinity (whatever buildings you would create, the land beneath those buildings and the space between them) and resources in close proximity that you've either tapped into or at least secured, not everything that Mars has to offer. Property is initially acquired through transforming your environment.

If you insist on continuing making this foolish argument, please point out what "country" they migrated to (name me the country, name me even one head of state or a written constitution) and what immigration laws they broke when they landed on the shores of the new world.

old comment by Uilleam

@IllegalsSuck: Since I know you're reading, I'm just gonna point out several things:

1. "Mexico doesn't tolerate illegal immigration" is a load of horse shit. The place has a huge problem with people trafficking, closely linked to its severe problems with organised crime and corruption in general - and BTW, most Mexican illegals are fleeing said crime, not mooching off the 'Murican economy. As for the smuggled individuals entering Mexico, they're usually from the rest of Central America, which has even worse issues that boil down to the old "banana republic" cliche; Mexico seems like paradise by comparison.

2. If you think Israel doesn't have a corruption problem, you've clearly never looked too deep into Bibi Netanyahu's affairs. For that matter, they have their own violent problem, in the form of a brutal civil war that inspires toxic religious extremism on both sides and appears impossible to end satisfactorily. Their strong scientific culture likely stems from the origins of many early Israelis as intellectuals and white-collar types forced from their homes against their will by Nazism; Mexico never really had the same chances. Hell, its issues can usually be traced back to the colossal violent assfuck that was its formation.

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@Uilleam

Dude, Israel had a "colossal violent assfuck" since day 1 too. Its neighbors declared war on it since it announced its creation in 1948.

And people are seriously going to argue that Mexico is doing poorly as a country because "evil murica", be serious. Mexico is just a failed state. It has huge portions that it can't even control where the drug barons have totally taken over and some people are even resorting to vigilantism because the police is either useless or crooked or both. It's not their race, it's their values, particularly those of the ruling elites, but how typical of SJW fuckwits to think criticizing a country = racism. Simpletons.

"most Mexican illegals are fleeing said crime"

And some are bringing their crime.

How can you tell? There is no background check possible when you have no filer and just tolerate unlimited numbers of them coming in.

You can't verify if they have a criminal record in their own country, you can't verify if they're healthy, you can't verify if they actually fit into the job market; janitor jobs - plenty of American bums who can do it well enough, you need IT specialists, doctors and shit (basically people with valuable marketable skills and whose presence won't cost citizen jobs), not janitors.

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@IllegalsSuck

That was the Arab world's reaction to the founding of Israel. Mexico, by contrast, came from a brutal war of independence that made the American Revolution seem tame by comparison, not to mention numerous other wars with Spain and the USA before they had a chance to recover. Deeming it a "failed state" is likely the one sensible thing you've said so far.

Who here tried to claim it was "evil murica", as you put it? It was the fault of colonial brutality in general, just like most of the other failed states in the world (excluding the Muslim world, which is saddled with a religion going through a phase akin to Catholicism in the Dark Ages). America succeeded because it was treated as a sort of favoured pet by Britain and the Revolution was incredibly well-organised; most other countries can't claim that sort of good luck.

You have half a point when it comes to the potential for gangsters to sneak in. On the other hand, this is no reason to fuck over innocents, and the gangsters would just find new ways to influence the American criminal underworld even if the Trumpster shoved a honking great wall in their way - sneakiness is a prerequisite to succeed as an organised criminal, otherwise you're just some goon who'll die in a drive-by within a year. As for "tolerate unlimited numbers", further horseshit - 2.5 million illegals, most of them Mexicans, have been deported by the Obama administration, and several million more struck the "il" off of "illegal" in the same period.

Finally and perhaps irrelevently, LOL @ "SJW". Not from you, just in general. It's so telling that you reactionary assholes consider a desire for society to be just something shameful and evil. As for the Tumblr mad-[insert gender identity here]s who truly deserve the term, I call 'em "moonbats" - a term with negative roots itself, sure, but I'd rather look like a Teabagger than a Gamergator, which is again very telling.

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@Uilleam

Here's the thing, I could try to explain it to you, but it would be easier to just tell you to go back to the start of the conversation and follow the entire chain and the person I was responding to and the argument he was making (which was basically that Mexico being shit is the fault of MURICA so therefore it should basically nullify all immigration laws as if they never existed - bad premise, bad trail of thought).

Got it? Good.

"You have half a point when it comes to the potential for gangsters to sneak in. On the other hand, this is no reason to fuck over innocents"

Nope, that's why they should follow the legal immigration procedure.

And having a clean criminal record is only part of the equation. They need to also prove that they can fit into the job market or at least that they will have some kind of legitimate income. They also need to be screened for diseases.

You can't do any of that if you don't have a border.

What you're asking for is essentially that the US government should ignore its entire bulk of laws that have anything to do with borders or immigration. That's just retarded. Laws weren't made to be ignored.

If you don't like the law you can change it, you can in theory even repeal it (in which case, nobody could be an illegal immigrant without any law regulating movement of non-US citizens into the US), but my guess is you just can't convince most Americans to go along with something as insane and risky to the American security as having no control over non-US citizens entering the US, so your only recourse is to shout "racism!" all the time, even though this is an issue of citizenship not race (a white British person entering the US illegally would still be an illegal immigrant).

"America succeeded because it was treated as a sort of favoured pet by Britain and the Revolution was incredibly well-organised; most other countries can't claim that sort of good luck."

It's not "good luck". It was a system of government geared towards individual freedom and limits on the power of government. Not perfect by any means, but better than the other countries still, most of them ruled by tyrants of one sort or another at the time.

You apply that system of government to any country - it's going to prosper in the long run.

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@IllegalsSuck

Good for OP, he's also dumb. Going to extremes in either direction never solves anything, no matter the issue.

If it was that easy for Mexicans to immigrate legally, don't you think they would all do so, rather than risk a border crossing that's dangerous enough without giant walls and a smug toupee-wearing orange potentially in the way? American immigration procedure is broken, Mexico is broken, their lives are broken - it just ain't possible. The last resort is the only resort they have, unless they happen to enjoy living in a drug-infested gangland.

"TOOK UR JERBS" is bullcrap. They do the menial and disgusting jobs so you don't have to, because it's all people like you will let them have.

Lastly, no, I never said America didn't need a border. What it does need is some way to help those who fled a dire scenario and can't help themselves, rather than either ignoring them or callously flinging them back to the wolves. Maybe you're not a racist, but the issue at hand is so thoroughly tied to race it's hard to separate it from racism - you're sailing, perhaps unwillingly, perhaps on the other side of the deck, but still in the same boat as tattooed Nazis.

Now, this argument is starting to bore me - you're smart enough that I can't glean amusement from your hypothetical dumb responses, but also stubborn enough that I don't think your opinion is ever going to change. Unless you have some riposte that demands an answer, I call curtains.

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@Uilleam

"If it was that easy for Mexicans to immigrate legally, don't you think they would all do so, rather than risk a border crossing that's dangerous enough without giant walls and a smug toupee-wearing orange potentially in the way? American immigration procedure is broken, Mexico is broken, their lives are broken - it just ain't possible. The last resort is the only resort they have, unless they happen to enjoy living in a drug-infested gangland."

aka "I don't like the law so let's break it blah blah"

Here's the thing, if the law seems too restrictive, maybe it was made that way for a reason and there are other concerns than crime too, like being able to integrate into the job market without disrupting it. In order to do that you need skilled workers and there needs to be a genuine shortage of those workers in that field, otherwise it's just a way for big business to drive down wages in ways that could never occur naturally.

""TOOK UR JERBS" is bullcrap. They do the menial and disgusting jobs so you don't have to, because it's all people like you will let them have. "

This I never understood. There are plenty of people you can get off welfare so they will accept even those "disgusting jobs".

Honestly unless you're like unable to find food for 4 days straight you should not see welfare. And I would start now looking for a way to transition to large-scale private charity.

@Zachski
"Actually, I said that a lot of problems in Mexico can be traced to America, and I also brought up the time America illegally stole land from Mexico as an indication of how early this has gone.

At no point did I say immigration laws should be done away with."

No, you just said it should be ignored because something bad America supposedly did to Mexico. (I disagree btw. I disagree with your premise, I disagree with your conclusions even if I were to grant your premise.)

A law ignored might as well not exist.

Now as for Mexico being poor and corrupt because of something America did, please explain why countries that went through worse and much more recently are doing fine?

If your country can't recover from something that happened several lifetimes ago, the problem is the country.

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