There's a reason atheists are the least trusted group in America... they have no reason to hold themselves to any sort of consistent moral standards.
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No no no no NO!!! Argh, it hurts to read crap like that!
First of all, who says that about "least trusted group"? It sounds like it was made up one day and then took a life of it's own, in that it pops up every now and then.
Second, if the bible and your fear of damnation are your only reasons to have any morality, you are a religious sociopath and/or psychopath. Did you never have that warm fuzzy feeling after you helped an old lady across the street, that comes faster than your thought:"Whew, now I am ready to go to heaven!"
I bet not.
Klaus, there was a real poll about it, who knows how biased, and the result was that atheists are the only one of the poll options that had more than half the people distrusting them. It was mentioned in the infamous Paula Zahn now panel, I don't remember who did the poll, though.
Hertzy: a very loud obnoxious baptist who kept interrupting everyone whenever they started to make sense... and I forget the others.
Either way, that guy should not have been allowed back on there, despite being a perfect example of the screaming ignoramus...
Whereas Christians do have a reason to hold themselves to consistent moral standards, but generally don't. Talk is cheap. It's the doing that's tough. And Christians don't act any more moral than anyone else; they just maybe feel a little guiltier about it afterwards.
There's a reason atheists are the least trusted group in America
Sure. There are a lot of Christian bigots who don't like atheists. Polls like that are just popularity contests. I'll bet Jews and gays would be somewhere high on that list, too.
Statistics as well as logical thinking disagrees with you.
And when it comes to "consistent morals", no humans do. Christians don't keep slaves anymore, do you? You don't kill non-believers. You don't deny women the right to divorce their husband. Your morals change just like ours.
How odd you would say that, WalkerBurgin, considering how our "Christian" President, George Bush, seems pathologically unable to tell the truth (unless he ever gets around to saying, "I never tell the truth.", which is unlikely).
After this President, I'd vote for an atheist who at least told the truth in a heartbeat!
"There's a reason atheists are the least trusted group in America... they have no reason to hold themselves to any sort of consistent moral standards."
As opposed to, say, Ted Haggard, or the BK killer.
~David D.G.
Here's something I don't understand. Christians repeatedly claim that religion is the only thing that can induce consistent morality in people, yet I only see the question "why don't atheists misbehave?"
It's been shown that atheists are more likely to be moral than christians (see the disproportionate number of believers in prison; atheists are underrepresented).
It's a telling fact that they need religion to keep from misbehaving rather than to behave well. I'm willing to bet that no one will ever be asked, "What makes you behave compassionately towards your fellow human beings?"
Hypocrites.
Or you think they haven´t. What moral standards, if I may ask, have those suicide bombers or those who put bombs in gay bars or any type of place where people disagree with them?. I haven´t seen a single atheist doing that.
Believe it or not, WB, the atheist standard for morality can be summed up with the following statement: do to others as you would have them do to you. Sound familiar? And guess what, you don’t need a sky ghost to follow it!
actually it is because people, including you apparently, cannot concieve of the fact that it is not necessary to believe in an invisble man in the sky in order to be a good person.
Most of us follow some varient of the Golden Rule, and it's not because we believe in your Bible, the Golden rule is in fact, *not* unique to the Bible and is found in many places in time and space.
I personally follow the axiom "always seek to cause the minimum amount of net suffering and the maximum amount of net happiness". The Golden Rule is a useful guide to help people follow this axiom.
You claim that you have objective moral standards, but they only come from humans interpreting older human traditions with wishthinking, bigotry, reality denial, etc. And making of it what seems to be convenient for the moment. The hypocrisy is often exposed by the irrational or hateful actions of self-professed believers. Also exposed by their supposed models, that they claim to be following. For instance, you're not supposed to judge others, according to Jesus. He also said that you should pray in private, instead of making elitist self-serving public shows, like this spam. You taint the name of your own, then somehow wonder, with persecution complex, why others will not accept your undeserved condescending "rule" or failed attempt at shaming. I know your business and it made me exit Babylon.
In the FSTDT features posts from Digg, WoW forums and a number of others, there is indeed evidence of how hate speech is promoted not only about atheism but also against straw men to scapegoat. Where knowledge and science and society in general are also confused with atheism and demonized. This is evidence that it is pushed either by divisive trolls for radicalization, or by a specific type of high control ultrafundamentalist cult, likely exploiting its victims with enforced ignorance, and rejecting reality in favor of mythology, pseudohistory and bigotry. Imposing and spamming its poison everywhere, even where off-topic and unwelcome. The original posts were often deleted by moderators, but the samples remain on FSTDT for analysis and as evidence. That's high moral standards?
https://fstdt.com/?domain=forums.worldofwarcraft.com
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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