The difference in hormones (testosterone vs. estrogen) the difference in physical strength and simple logistics made it that way. Submission complements dominance perfectly. With women being more suited to submitting to the stronger male who is more suited to dominance and protecting, you have what nature, >mother< nature intended. It's logical, logistical and practical in every way. The only reason people are able to deviate from it is because of modern laws and technology. I guarantee that if there were ever some sort of post-apocalyptic scenario, women would once again gladly submit to men who could protect them in exchange for submission.
Submissiveness in women is not a social contract. Role reversal is.
EDIT: Submission is cooperation. I do what I'm good at as does he. I'm just not going to fight, struggle, battle and compete to stay on par with someone who's too different to be equal to. Someone has to have final say so and if we ever disagree on something, a compromise isn't always possible with every single thing and that's why someone's way always has to prevail. But remember that the person who got their way is responsible for the outcome/consequences of at decision, be it good or bad. I don't know why you're always so threatened by my views. It's not like you're somehow going to be forced to do what I like. So why feel threatened and defensive instead of just realizing that people are different?
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It's logical, logistical and practical in every way.
Logistical. You keep on using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
I guarantee that if there were ever some sort of post-apocalyptic scenario, women would once again gladly submit to men who could protect them in exchange for submission.
Maybe. But we're not living in a post-apocalyptic world. We're living in a (relatively) advanced civilization that enables women to be independent.
Ever seen a female bear protecting her cub? Try tell her she's got a submissive nature. While you're at it, try tell the women in Africa who walk miles with water barrels on their heads, that they don't have physical strength.
People are indeed different. Some women are strong and decisive, some men are happy with their wives making the final decision. Some couple's like compromises, some don't.
It's kind of sad that there are still women today who think like that, but IMO this sentence makes it non-fundie:
It's not like you're somehow going to be forced to do what I like.
As long as she is not demanding that every woman should live like that, I would say "Live and let live".
"But remember that the person who got their way is responsible for the outcome/consequences of at decision"
By this comment I take you let him have his way a lot, and when it all goes to hell in a hand basket you turn around and say "I told you so".
Yes, it has been for millennia, a world where women were kept on a short leash and made to feel inferior to man. In nearly all cases some form of chauvinistic religion was involved. Christianity is a brilliant example.
But seeing as this is 2014 and not 0014 a woman can't be executed for knowing how to read. Anyone can be a mechanic or a pilot or an electrician, gender does not matter anymore.
At least not to any man who does not feel belittled by a women who knows more about engines than he does.
Submission is not co-operation.
The saying "Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus" is crap.
Men are from Earth, Women are from Earth, get over it.
So in a relationship of two, there are going to be some things that are disagreed upon...
How about relationships of more than two so that there can be a mediating party?
'Chaos', eh? When I see that word, just three things spring to mind:
1- The Chaos Gods: Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh & Tzeentch. Unless you want to be purged by the Inquisitors, why feel threatened and defensive instead of realising that the Emperor protects ? [/"WK40K"]
2- Discord/Eris . John DeLancie. Your argument is invalid [/"MLP:FiM"]. Why feel threatened and defensive instead of realising that Eris will discord your world with [i]Love[/i]? [/Jacquelindreamz]
3- The Dom DeLuise character 'Victor Prinsi' in the Cannonball Run" films. Why feel threatened and defensive instead of realising that his alter-ego 'Captain Chaos ' is different ? Different enough to have his shrink - Dr. Gay - committed, for smoking bananas.
4- ?????
5- Dominatrixes. Strong men who pay good money to be submissive to them. Your argument is invalid .
In a post- apocalyptic scenario, sexual roles may well get set back a few centuries, but so will everything else.No matter how much we like to delude ourselves after watching "Walking Dead", most of us will be reduced to eating rats, corpses and cockroaches, and will be wiped out the first winter.Anybody, man or wman, who cannot pull his/her weight will be abandoned and die.Feminists will be pretty low on anybody's priority list, zombies or no zombies.
What people must do to survive brutal circumstances is not necessarily "nature". Among human beings for the last few millenia, female and young human beings have needed adult male human beings mostly to protect them from other adult male human beings. This is very far from the norm of most other warm-blooded human beings.
Testosterone, per se, is associated only with male-on-male aggression. Survival aggression is a function of adrenalin and androsterone, both from the adrenals/noradrenals. The latter, in times of stress, acts as an anabolite to counteract the catabolic effects of prolongued adrenaline exposure. Absent stress, it is converted into its sex-appropriate hormone and some of the opposite. That is why female athletes in hard training cease periods and males in hard training have depressed testosterone levels, and why, among ungulates, one brother may do most of the fighting and the other most of the mating.
I guarantee that if there were ever some sort of post-apocalyptic scenario, women would once again gladly submit to men who could protect them in exchange for submission.
Why does there have to be a quid pro quo? If you saw a woman being beaten up, would you demand she screw you if she wants you to help her?
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
And now, Chaos adds "Submission is Cooperation"
"I don't know why you're always so threatened by my views. It's not like you're somehow going to be forced to do what I like."
Unless you elect politicians who agree with you. Some of us have read The Handmaid's Tale.
Female MMA fighter.
Steve Buscemi.
Which one's the stronger & more dominant one, again?
On a personal note: D/s - or any form of BDSM - is fine if that's your thing. Trying to force it on everyone else is not a good idea, though.
@nigelD, @Volcheka
Yeah, I agree. Two in a relationship is rather subpar for a few reasons. Three, at least, can allow for more fluid relations as well as a mediating party.
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