Theodore Shoebat posted a video yesterday calling for the institution of a "Christian collectivist society" in America in which collective punishment is imposed and where those who refuse to submit to Christianity are put to death.
As Shoebat explained, the problem with America is that it is too individualistic, only punishing criminals for the crimes they have committed instead of imposing collective punishments in an effort to root out the beliefs or behaviors that led to the crime in the first place.
For instance, he said, the correct response to the crimes of serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer would have been to punish him for his transgressions, but then to also outlaw homosexuality because "it leads to serial killers, it leads to cannibalism, it leads to murder" and is a danger to the collective Christian society.
Non-Christians would be allowed to live in this society, Shoebat magnanimously stated, provided that they "respect and honor the Christian faith." Those who refuse to do so and seek to promote any sort of "diabolical belief system or an explicitly anti-Christian sentiment" would be put to death.
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So this man who makes a living by making out that all Muslims secretly want to live in a world governed by people like Daesh... wants to live in a world governed by people like Daesh. If he thinks collective punishment is such a good idea, the "correct response" to the entire Shoebat family is to deport them because a) fanatical anti-Islamic rhetoric leads to murder and Breivik killed 60 more people than Dahmer; and b) they haven't learned to "respect and honor" American values.
"Theodore Shoebat posted a video yesterday calling for the institution of a "Christian collectivist society" in America in which collective punishment is imposed and where those who refuse to submit to Christianity are put to death. "
Theodore Dingbat should be sent to live in ISIS controlled territory.
@Mister Spak
Yes but in the Christian mind that analogy fails because ISIS is Islam not Christianity, and Islam is not the correct religion. Christian theocracy is holy and righteous and therefore the whole thing is different and therefore justifiable.
Comments like "go and live in Iran" (which I have actually used), and "live in ISIS controlled territory" therefore fail to register with the Christian fundy mind.
He posted it yesterday? As in on the Sabbath, when no work ought to be done? Perhaps you ought to start with putting him to death...
It makes more sense to outlaw guns, as they are actually used in killings.
It's hard to respect and honor something you think is a collection of myths and fairy-tales.
Oh, move to Saudi Arabia; they already have a kind of collectivist society. You'll fit right in, Teddy-boy, provided that you respect and honor the Muslim faith.
All crimes, murders, rapes, robberies, wars and jaywalking are commited by living beings. Life is a fatal disease. Only by eleminating all life can we solve all problems once and for all.
Homosexuality leads to serial killers, but who wants to bet he thinks that the proliferation of guns has nothing to do with gun violence? And if we're going to judge people by the actions of others in their group, then Mr. Shoebat is guilty of child molestation and cheating on his wife because he's a Christian like Josh Duggar.
Theodore Shoebat: "The correct response to the crimes of serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer would have been to punish him for his transgressions, but then to also outlaw homosexuality because it leads to serial killers, it leads to cannibalism, it leads to murder and is a danger to the collective Christian society!"
Non-fundie: "That would mean Josh Duggar molesting his sisters and the child molestations committed by Catholic priests prove Christianity leads to sexual misconduct like child sexual abuse! Incestuous, even! So Christianity should be outlawed!"
TS (highly offended): "At the time those molestations occurred, Josh Duggar WASN'T A TRUE CHRISTIAN! I don't know if he is now, but his actions are proof positive he wasn't back then!! And Catholics most certainly aren't Christians because they worship *the pope*, not God! So there's NO REASON AT ALL to outlaw Christianity!!!"
Do I *HAVE* to bust out Bernard of Clairvaux's admonition to overzealous Christians in his day: "Fides suadenda est, non imponenda" -- faith is a matter of persuasion, not of imposition. In short: DO NOT FORCE YOUR BELIEFS.
Also, if I had a dollar for every time a fundie somewhere in the world said Catholics worship the pope, in a single day I might amass a fortune equivalent to half a Nobel Prize, or $600,000.
@whatever
"Comments like "go and live in Iran" (which I have actually used), and "live in ISIS controlled territory" therefore fail to register with the Christian fundy mind."
Tey work if you repeat them over and over and over until the concept registers in the fundies mind.
Since it doesn't register in the fundie mind the fundie gives up because you keep saying it repeatedly and the fundie can't get out any of his other nonsense.
This works better if you can use as many of the fundies words back at him as you can ie. "The leader of ISIS posted a video yesterday calling for the institution of a "Muslim collectivist society" in America in which collective punishment is imposed and where those who refuse to submit to Sharia are put to death".
If you hit Shoebat with a clue bat,
This is what you call,
With apologies to the good Doctor.
...thus an ISIS-esque Eternal Talibangelist Theocracy of Godsville, eh Shitbat?
If only all other right-wing Fundamental ist Christains would be this honest, eh Mike Fuckabee?
@breakerslion
Thanks for the inspiration so's I could compose a Haiku:
Theodore Shitbat
Yours is better, though. b^_^d
@Mimic Octopus
<All crimes, murders, rapes, robberies, wars and jaywalking are commited by living beings. Life is a fatal disease. Only by eleminating all life can we solve all problems once and for all.>
Nice try, HAL, but I'm not giving you the launch codes for the missiles.
Those who refuse to do so and seek to promote any sort of "diabolical belief system or an explicitly anti-Christian sentiment" would be put to death.
Well then, on the wall behind Brother Shoebat in the video, just above the door, there's a picture of Jesus hanging on the cross. Wait, hanging the cross? OMG, that's a Catholic thing. He's promoting a diabolical belief system.
Besides that, the picture to the right of the door (from our viewpoint) is hanging crooked. OMG, that's the devil at work!
Looks like Brother Shoebat will soon be facing one of his own death squads.
I'm thinking Theodore here is not very bright. He's publically posting a video wanting to outlaw homosexuality. He's doing this with his identity wide open, and in the age where it's quite easy to track people down.
The same group he calls murderers, serial killers, and cannibals. Do you want to be ritually murdered and eaten Theo? Is that what you're trying to tell us?
or
Do you know what you're claiming is a lie hmm?
Serial killers are a very small segment of the population. A micropic segment actually, and more are likely to be heterosexual just because of sheer population size.
Same with cannibals.
Try again and call us tomorrow Theo.
How does homosexuality lead to cannibalism?
Of course, when we Cephalopods rise from the sea, the Utopia of the Time of Tentacles will not discriminate against any group of humans, we will treat them all equally as the irrational lungfish they are.
Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention: 'No persons may be punished for an offense he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.'
So in effect you're advocating acts of terrorism against US citizens, Shoebat?
Gadzooks! It's a Shoebat!
But seriously, folks, Teddy's gotta show me the link between homosexuality and cannibalism.
First Amendment, Geneva Convention, Treaty of Tripoli.
@NeoMatrix:
@FundieVision Inc
That doesn't stop most anti-gay activists. Rick Santorum was fairly up front and didn't hide his identity. He was a presidential candidate, hoping to be elected in order to abolish gay rights and annul all same sex marriages by a Constitutional Amendment!
Mind you, Rich Santorum probably wasn't very bright either.
Sure. Let's kill smokers before they set stuff on fire, kill people with guns before they shoot somebody, kill fat people before they take up extra room on plane seats - in fact, let's just make Theodore another Pol Pot and kill anybody who annoys him in the slightest.
Hmm. Is it not the case that about 90% of the prison population claim to have a religious faith of one type or another?
If we are basing genocide on criminality then you faithheads will be first against the wall.
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