When you sincerely want to please God, He is going to be pleased with you. Maybe you were the guy who kidnapped little Tina, raped her, and chopped her up into little pieces which the police recently discovered. Now Tina’s family hates your guts and they’ve been quoted in the news as declaring your actions to be unforgivable. But what does God say? Does He consult with Tina’s people before talking to you? No, He doesn’t. How God responds to you is going to depend on how your own soul is responding to Him. If you’re being an unrepentant little brat, then God is going to be convicting you to repent and threatening you with dire consequences if you don’t submit to His Authority. But if instead you are horrified by the depths to which you’ve sunk and you desperately want to get right with God somehow someway, then He is going to eagerly embrace you and help you start working on the underlying issues that motivated you to snatch little Tina in the first place.
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Whoawhoawhoawaaaaaaaaait a minute! So not only did Anna-chan pull out the "God forgives the rapist" card again, but... is she saying that the little girl in this scenario deserved to be raped and murdered just for not following the rules that Anna-chan's god lays out to the letter?
That's... that's morally repugnant beyond all belief! How does anyone even think that something like that sounds good in any way, shape, or form?
@ Ibuki Mioda
Sorry to do this but it's actually even worse. In Anna's demented mind Tina did not actually have to break any rules to "deserve" rape, murder, and even Hell. She is incidental to God's whims; at fault because God wills it. She exists solely to be used and is expected to be grateful at all times.
But in those who visit horror upon others she sees God in action, God testing them or acting through them to punish others. She identifies them with God because she associates fear with God. Malice. Tyranny. Evil. Justified in action because they can force their will into the world with red hands and not a doubt on their minds. Her God is quite simply Abuse personified.
It makes me ponder her childhood.
Anna. When I eventually meet you in person, I am going to beat you to death. You are just going to sit there and take it, because I am an instrument of your god's divine pettiness come to punish you for the unforgivable sin of your parents giving you a name that starts with an "A".
Sorry, but it's god's will and you keep saying that we should do whatever god tells us no matter how morally repugnant.
@ Some Guy Passing Through, and others
FSTDT Quote# 104388 from Anna Diehl:
When I see God as the One who directed the rapist to my personal front door, I end up directing the bulk of my rage at Him, and He in turn has the wisdom and power to help me process my experience in a way that will have a positive effect on my insides. When I see God as the Mastermind behind my assault, I then see the rapist as merely the instrument that he was. Of course I still hate the man at first, but since I am now fully engaged with God and looking for Him to help me process my experience, I am going to find that my hate for the human is eventually transformed into compassion. The truth is that God loves the rapist every bit as much as He loves me. I will of course try to avoid thinking about this at first, especially when I need to believe that God is on my side and far more concerned with my pain than He is with that human creep. But the reality is that God is equally concerned with both me and my rapist, He is equally compassionate towards each of us, and He is using our common experience to try and grow each of us to a better place.
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Dr. Hannibal Lecter's raison d'etre is that we are made in your 'God's image. And as your 'God' clearly likes killing , therefore...!
At least the Chaos god Khorne forbids the slaughter of the defenceless , therefore thank you for admitting that Khorne is superior to yours Annie.
Unfortunately this does have a grain of truth to it. I've been in countless group therapy sessions with people who have admitted to doing terrible things they are deeply ashamed and guilty about, and a summary of the treatment (minus the God bit, which is just a way of manifesting your own internal sense of right and wrong anyway) is basically her last sentence:
"...if instead you are horrified by the depths to which you’ve sunk and you desperately want to get right with God somehow someway, then He is going to eagerly embrace you and help you start working on the underlying issues that motivated you to snatch little Tina in the first place"
Note that what Anna is saying here is quite different from the standard "rapist accepts God and goes to heaven" line, and in my view is the actual purpose and intent of Jesus' reported teachings on confession of sins and forgiveness in the synoptic gospels.
How God responds to you is going to depend on how your own soul is responding to Him:
>If you’re being an unrepentant little brat, then God is going to do nothing.
See the difference?
Anna, how does torturing and killing a child even come close to the empty threats your boyfriend...er god...will ever amount to anything. A lot of people suffered because of Tina's ordeal, and the killer will only suffer threats. What is more hideious is that your boyfriend...er...god didn't prevent this from happening. He's the bad guy here.
So the murderer eventually accepts christ and goes to heaven.
His victim, who had questions about religion when she was suddenly murdered, goes to hell for all eternity.
What a perfect moral system you have there!
Yes, we all know that's how things would actually shake out if you follow the Bible as literally as possible. We know God can end up sending a murdering rapist to heaven (and giving him endless second chances) while sending the victim to hell (while giving her no second chances). We all know your god use rape and murder to teach people lessons and test their faith (despite him being omniscient). What we don't know is why, out of all the thousands of faiths in the world, anyone would willingly choose this one, ESPECIALLY knowing just how unjust it is.
I mean, they're all equally likely to be true (and are probably all false) so why not take the chance on a more socially productive religion? Why take the risk on a god that's intrinsically irrational and arbitrary like that? How do you know you haven't pissed him off somehow with some random thing you did and thought nothing of?
How would someone who willingly orchestrates and carries out the abduction, violation, and dismemberment of a child, with his own bloody hands, even begin to feel remorse for his actions? You’re not describing someone who merely commited a horrible error in judgment, such a drunk man who misjudged his similarly tipsy girlfriend’s soberiety after they’ve both shared drinks at a party (to be clear, I’m not referring to someone who deliberately drugs women to prey upon them), or even a socially inept half-wit who made creepy sexual propositions to his female friends in jest. While those lesser actions are definitely reprehensible and damaging on their own, at least their perpetuators would be capable of feeling remorse upon recognizing the harm they’ve done. The person you’re talking about would either be so devoid of empathy or so disconnected from reality that he couldn’t possibly feel the weight of his crimes, and wouldn’t even bother to try. Tina, and everyone else, would be little more than video-game NPCs to him. The only positive aspect of this hypothetical situation would be his eventual damnation, even though his torment wouldn’t actually undo Tina’s suffering, especially in light of your belief that God deliberately creates potential rapists and guides them to their victims as part of some sadistic plan. Worse yet, Tina would still burn in Hell, after all that unspeakable brutality, alongside with her hateful abuser, if she didn’t die a Christian... Thank you for laying bare all the horrific implications of your God, Anna. You do the atheists’ work for them.
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