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Incel organ donors should be allowed to sleep with recently deceased females

Sex is a female resource. Organs are a human resource. I came up with a system that would exchange these resources in a way everybody would benefit. The pussy of females can be used even 2 days after their death. Their sexual resources get wasted with the current system and people often die because there aren't enough organ donors. Incels that are organ donors should be allowed to have sex with recently deceased females. This way female sexual resources would not be wasted even in death. Incels would be encouraged to donate organs and more potential lives would be saved. The incel suffering would be reduced. Nobody would be harmed. The number of organ donors would increase. Nothing would get wasted. It would be like biological and sexual recycling. Female sexual resources would not get wasted and they would be used to help incels. If this proposal came true it would be killing two birds with one stone.

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@Indicible

"3) Do these people ever think of other people as anything other than pieces of meat?"

That's an interesting criticism. (By which I mean it's total bullshit.)

Necrophilia is a serious moral issue. Please don't inject feminist drivel into the discussion. This is not why DevilElliot is wrong, if he wants to fuck consenting women and then forget about them the next minute, that's his choice. The problem with necro, in no particular order of importance, is that:

1. you condition people to a fetish that requires other people being dead in order to indulge in (no good can come of that, indulging in dangerous fetishes leads to the deterioration of society as a whole too)
2. you have lack of hygiene
3. you have lack of consent from the family of the deceased
4. based on the culture we have that sort of tries to respect the dead, I think there would be violent resistance to such a law anyway

old comment by nuspirit

@ #1992087:

"1. you condition people to a fetish that requires other people being dead in order to indulge in"

Dead people aren't really in short supply,

(no good can come of that, indulging in dangerous fetishes leads to the deterioration of society as a whole too)

This line of reasoning could be used to prohibit any number of things that are currently allowed. You'd need to show that this particular "dangerous" fetish leads to "deterioration" of society, or at least that they often do. I'm not actually aware of any "dangerous" fetish that has been deemed to do so.

"2. you have lack of hygiene"

Lack of hygiene is a serious (moral) concern?

"3. you have lack of consent from the family of the deceased"

Consent of the family isn't generally required for anything. They can't, afaik, override the deceased person's wishes about organ donation, for example.

"4. based on the culture we have that sort of tries to respect the dead, I think there would be violent resistance to such a law anyway"

This might be a valid concern but still a pragmatic rather than moral one.

Just to clarify I'm playing the devil's (not the necrophiliac's) advocate here. Don't come in guns blazing if that's the level of reasoning and arguments you got.

old comment by Skide

So you fell that low as a male? Reduced to trolling for a recently deceased corpse of a female, are we?

See things like you, they always existed somewhere under the bridges and in the basements under our society but now you fuckfaces for some reason, as yet to me unknown demand we treat you like people, moreover that we submit to your degenerate whims. A person at least is supposed to know when they had become a failure of such an utter scope, not even as a member of a given society, for contemporary societal standards be damned, but simply as a member of their species, that if they would to continue on in such state it would be to actively poison the well, so to speak and since they present no desire nor effort to improve upon themselves, the only other sensible alternative becomes suicide.

In simpler words: Fuck your face with a barrel of a handgun.

I for one refuse to discuss the merits of "female sexual resources" much less the "recycling" of such and I believe neither should any sane contributor of our site.

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@nuspirit

"Just to clarify I'm playing the devil's (not the necrophiliac's) advocate here."

I'll keep that in mind. Still the devil needs a new one lol.

"Dead people aren't really in short supply,"

Nope they're not. Recently deceased are.

It's only a matter of time before the necrophiliac starts contemplating murder in order satisfy his fetish.

"This line of reasoning could be used to prohibit any number of things that are currently allowed. You'd need to show that this particular "dangerous" fetish leads to "deterioration" of society, or at least that they often do. I'm not actually aware of any "dangerous" fetish that has been deemed to do so."

Pedophilia, snuff films etc. There's got a be a limit beyond a simplistic reductionist understanding of "consent".

"Lack of hygiene is a serious (moral) concern?"

Well I dunno about you, but hygiene spreads less infections. If you're reckless with it but still want to live among civilized society you're kind of an asshole.

Granted this alone isn't enough to justify a law against it, it does help when you factor in the other stuff.

"Consent of the family isn't generally required for anything. They can't, afaik, override the deceased person's wishes about organ donation, for example."

That's fine but without any explicit wishes, the family decides.

And there aren't many people out there who would find this acceptable. I also don't know of any person who wants to donate his or her genitals for sex after they die.

"This might be a valid concern but still a pragmatic rather than moral one."

They go hand in hand often and frankly it's not just western culture, virtually no culture would find this acceptable. Not sure how it is moral to trample on people's wishes in their most vulnerable state of mourning a deceased person.

"Oh sorry guys, I know you're mourning and all and want to prepare for the funeral, but we have this guy right here that wants to bone your grandma cause he's an incel LOL, hand over the corpse or we send a SWAT team in"

LOLOL - Again, I know you're playing devil's advocate but lol

This is like WBC on an overdose of steroids.

old comment by Indicible

@ 1992087

My problem is with the whole "female sexual resources" and necrophilia.

WTH are female sexual resources? You cannot get laid, that is your problem, not anybody else's. Women's sexual organs are not resources. They tend to be attached to persons, who have to give consent on the matter of the use of their sexual organs.
The day we grow vaginas outside of women, I will change my stance.

As for the necrophilia, this is a human body. We do not tolerate people f*cking dead bodies. That's all. And yes, why is he targeting women's bodies? After all, he could also sodomise a male corpse if all he wants is a hole to ejaculate in.

This is fractal disgust. There are layers of sh*t piled up one over the other.
Now could somebody please pass the brain bleach, because that conversation is mentally scarring.

old comment by Passerby

I'm not sure I have anything acidic enough to say for this beyond how completely unsurprising it is that "incels" are this depraved. How much more obvious can it be that they have no interest in women or relationships yet still insist that a living woman consign herself willingly to basically pretend to be the corpse this asshole wants to defile? Just get a blow up doll, have a cleaning service tidy up while you're at work pretending you contribute to society, and order in because that is literally everything you want from a woman and then your revolting personality really won't matter and you can cover it all with money. Well not quite everything, as you'll never have the validation you're looking for in all the wrong places.

old comment by Swede

What if the "incel" organ donor was a woman; could she sleep with your recently deceased body, after you've died?
Oh, you didn't know that there are women who have never had sex, too?

Sex is something you do together (or on your own, in case of masturbation). It's not something one gives and the other receives.

The anus of men might be usable a couple of days after death too. Your sexual resources get wasted too, then.
If you'd be prepared to f**k a dead body, why not get yourself a RealDoll instead?

How can you be sure that the "incels" stay organ donors? They could change their minds after they had a bit of that sweet, sweet rotting flesh. Or would the organs of the "incel" be harvested right after the "job"?

old comment by Kadorhal

So, in the past couple of months, you have been suggesting - rather than simply working on becoming more pleasant to interact with - that acceptable methods of obtaining your valued prize include:

1) punishing "cheating whores" by stripping them in public, taking photos of them, and spreading them on the Internet
2) blinding 95% of women at birth so they can't see you to negatively compare you to someone else, because it's clearly only your looks that are driving them all away
3) Goddamned necrophilia, because even you are starting to realize no living human being wants anything to do with you.

Why do you fucking dipshits not see the problem here?

old comment by Pharaoh Bastethotep

>Vman:
Thank you.
The reason for my recent dives to the bottom were, in great parts. to get the a break from Dies Atrump and the idiocy and mindless gloating of the Toupee Tyrant's cultists. I also admit that, to some degree (although not very importantly), it helps me cope with my own loneliness via that "At least, you are not remotely as hopeless as them!" effect, and I desire validation for my own views on romance and marriage.

>JeanP:
Yes, it totally is. There are several hero worship threads dedicated to him (I only read their titles through. I do not think I could have stomached them). He is a mod of the subreddit, by the way. And, as a warning: Should you be so foolhardy to follow the link, the page design features badly photoshopped religious of (what I assume to be) Elliot Rodger and other incel "heroes", as well as the Green Anencephaliac.

>Kadorhal:
And that is just what got accepted here. To give an example from the quotes that did not make it: Some time ago, someone from another incel subreddit (thankfully, now defunct) proposed that women convicted of crimes should be sentenced to rape by incels. Other posts I submitted during my recent expeditions into darkness also dehumanised "female human organisms" to horrifying degrees.

>Trump's Troll:
How Trump Can Help Incels

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@Pharaoh Bastethotep

First of all, I don't agree with that poster's assessment of Trump's comments, I don't believe they constitute an admission of sexual assault, merely bragging about how he can get loose women.

The language is blatantly hyperbolic too. When Trump says "they let you do it when you're a star" obviously he isn't talking about 3.5 billion women, but a very specific subset of loose women (generally 18-40, generally single) obsessed with rich celebs. Nobody honestly believes he can seduce any woman on the planet, not even Trump.

Second, Trump (and generally a Republican win) can just as easily hurt the "incel cause" to the extent that such a thing exists.

Possible reasons? Prostitution legalization for one. Not likely to happen with Republicans in charge.

That's not to say a Clinton or even Sanders win would lead to that, there are many leftists who oppose prostitution because they think it's "sexist" under their insane definition of sexism. But you probably have marginally better chances to make it happen if Clinton or Sanders won and they appointed liberal judges.

So, I can see how a single issue voter who only cares about sex for money would decide that Democrats are their best bet to get laid without risking legal trouble, fraud and other issues associated with an underground market.

Universal healthcare can also be appealing to someone who's maybe really low income and would like to have more money to spend on hookers, minus the consequences of possibly getting an STD and having to pay for it.

So I'm really not buying this bullshit of Trump being the candidate of the incels. It goes both ways and I can see them voting either way. (Particularly when the left panders to entitled man kids who want free stuff at the expense of everyone else in society.)

Is it possible that some incels voted for Trump because they though he was "sticking it" to the feminists and feminism is why they're not getting laid? Maybe. But some also voted Hillary or supported Bernie for the free stuff + possibility of getting prostitution legal through activist judges.

old comment by Pharaoh Bastethotep

>Trump's Troll:
That's it! Trump's positions are so vague and self-contradictory that every wingnut can easily project his own pet ideology on him! To you, he is a randroid who will create a hypercapitalistic utopia. To the misogynist, he is a sexist who will pave the way for the reinstatement of Patriarchy. To the neo-nazi, he is the Second Coming of Hitler who will make America white again. To the habit voter, all this is Democratic fearmongering. But no one safe for possibly Trump himself really knows his true nature.
Personally. I think (and certainly hope) that he is "merely" an opportunistic kleptocrat with no strong ideological commitment. Not that Silvio Berlusconi ruling over more than 300 million people, one of the most important economies in the world and the Red Buttom with truly atrocious haircut is a very comforting idea.

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@Pharaoh Bastethotep

Okay, you missed the point of my comment. I am merely saying I don't think either candidate got the "incel vote". (And in any case, it's just not a significant demographic, I doubt either of the candidates could tell you what an "incel" is. It's almost entirely an Internet thing and only in very small segments of the Internet.)

Also, I never believed he is a "randroid" but he's definitely a lot more right-wing than the status quo. Plus I don't think that kind of transformation can be done instantly anyway, so maybe it's good that he's not a "randroid".

"To the misogynist, he is a sexist who will pave the way for the reinstatement of Patriarchy."

Will he now? It's possible to be both against political correctness and "patriarchy". How is he going to bring back patriarchy? By typing mean words on the Twitter?

Honestly Rosie O'Donnell is a big girl. She can handle it. So can the others. You wanted equality, well get used to women taking insults like a man cause that's part of it.

But I can't find a single policy on his site that would actually discriminate against women.

And no, anti-abortion doesn't count. There are women who oppose abortion fully or partially. It's not cause they hate themselves, it's cause they think it's murder. (In some instances I'd say it is depending on how developed the fetus is. If it has a working brain and nervous system, it's murder.)

"To the neo-nazi, he is the Second Coming of Hitler who will make America white again."

They can believe whatever they want, none of Trump's policies are actually racist.

Demanding that people emigrate to the US legally isn't racist.
Deporting illegals isn't racist.
Being against Islamic immigration isn't racist (since Islam isn't a race).
Being pro-police doesn't mean anti-black.

I can see why a neo-nazi would support Trump over Hillary (obviously when it comes to their goal of a pure white society, some level of immigration control is preferable to open borders) but that's like saying it's easier for a person to swim from New York to UK than from New York to North Korea. It's still virtually impossible either way even if the distance is shorter.

There is no way the neo-nazis are going to reach their goal even with a Trump presidency. They're just desperate.

Hillary had her own radical supporters: the communist vote (minus maybe the ones who are super far left or the "Bernie or Bust").

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@Pharaoh Bastethotep

""Islam isn't a race"
Neither is Judaism."

Judaism blurs the line between religion and ethnic identity. Plenty of "atheist Jews" around.

There are no "atheist Muslims". They're just atheists.

That's why antisemitism is a real thing and "Islamophobia" is largely made up to discredit people who criticize Islam.

"If someone else wants to get Trump's Troll to display the mental gymnastics required to turn incels into a "Leftist" movement, go ahead. But please do not let this thread get hijacked by Trump."

Well I dunno, I'm just judging the movement by the positions that they often state.

They basically want a welfare state where the government either treats them as disabled and therefore gives them money for hookers or forces women to have sex with them. How is that NOT a leftist mentality? It's certainly collectivist.

Just this idiotic idea that incels should be allowed to fuck corpses would be one of the most intrusive government policies in decades. Basically doesn't matter what the deceased wants, doesn't matter what the family wants, the government knows best and is going to decide instead (and they're going to decide to promote a very dangerous fetish).

old comment by Pharaoh Bastethotep

>Trump's Troll:
A central premise of the incel subculture, and neo-misogyny in general, is that women's rights and the welfare state make life too easy for single women. But of course, you did not notice it since you already assume this to be a self-evident truth.
I am certain that many of the most extreme incels refuse to participate in elections since they reject mainstream society as a whole. On the other hand, some of the ones who are not entirely irredeemable yet might vote based according to more ordinary criteria. However, for someone voting as an incel, the choice is clear.

Hillary Clinton
- is a woman and therefore evil
- is a feminist SJW
- will put me in jail for being a rapist
- is in favour of welfare, allowing women to be selective about their partners

Donald Trump
- is not a woman
- is "politically incorrect"
- has problems with sexual misconduct himself, so it is easier for me to get away with being a creep, or even with rape.
- wants to get rid of welfare so women will have to marry me just to survive

Remember, it does NOT matter whether you or I agree with those points. But this how incels see the world.

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@Pharaoh Bastethotep

"A central premise of the incel subculture, and neo-misogyny in general, is that women's rights and the welfare state make life too easy for single women."

That is a common theme, but another common theme is that women are just evil so the government needs to control their behavior (i.e. force them to sleep with them). Another common theme is that "incel" needs to be treated as a disability like missing an arm or a leg. All of this is collectivist thinking. And incel being declared a disability under a leftist government is not outside of the realm of possibility given the "safe space" entitlement culture where the left constantly tries to find victim groups to exploit.

But okay I see your point as well, I'm sure some voted for Trump for those reasons (and if they did they're not principled conservatives by the way, you should oppose most welfare because it's theft and unearned income, not specifically welfare for women because you think that's gonna get you laid), I'm also sure some voted Hillary for the reasons I stated.

I'm still not sure how that is Trump's fault. Or Hillary's for that matter.

Generally speaking not everyone who votes right is a principled rightist and not everyone who votes left is a principled leftist.

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Now you posted a list of possible reasons why these guys might have voted Trump so let's try one too playing incel's advocate for Hillary:

Hillary Clinton
- is going to appoint liberal judges and those judges maybe will overrule all state bans on prostitution like they did with gay marriage
- is going to expand medical welfare, I'm low income, I can't possibly pay for all the STDs I'm exposing myself to
- I'm low income in general. I want the government to give me stuff so I can save more hooker money, let those fools in the middle and upper class pay for it LOL
- as the supreme gentleman I deserve free stuff across the board (whether it's food, house or women)
- if the debt grows who cares, I don't have children so I'm not gonna be paying for it anyway plus I hate society

Donald Trump
- is guilty of the crime of being an alpha male and getting pussy
- is associated with a party of very religious folks who want abstinence education and the last thing I want is being told I should abstain
- abstinence education also creates a culture of even more selective women

(Note, I don't necessarily agree with these point either, I'm just explaining why they might think this way.)

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@1992533

"deliberate misrepresentation"

Would that include Obama or Bush or Hillary's claims that Islam is a religion of peace? Or is misrepresentation okay if it's positive misrepresentation?

Here's the thing. Serious critics of Islam do exist, Robert Spencer being one and you can't claim he doesn't know what he's talking about, he backs up all his claims with quotes from the Quran, hadith and Islamic jurisprudence. The left didn't engage his arguments they just dismissed him as a racist. There is no misrepresentation at all in saying that Islam is a theocratic supremacist ideology.

(Oh and by the way even if the criticism is 100% wrong, it still doesn't prove bigotry. It does not logically follow that if you get information wrong about X then you actually hate everyone associated with X. Otherwise many leftists would be "conservativephobes". The amount of stuff they get wrong is staggering.)

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Ah yes. The scholar who will call the King James Bible the Torah to deny unambiguous violent compulsions to invade and enslave neighbours and flagrantly ignore the parts of the Koran condemning acts of aggression, bidding that Muslims incline to peace the moment an enemy is willing to discuss it, and tried to claim domestic immigration policies were a call to invade other countries and demand tribute wants to lecture us on misrepresentation.

The even-handed judge who will not allow a fact to count when it runs counter to them and whose idea of a consistent argument is to drastically reframe the same piece of information depending on which side uses it and to use "logical reaction" as a one way street where the reverse is never applicable and to use broader and more ridiculously vague generalizations when arguing against someone but to minimize, specify, and compartmentalize into finite minutiae when some argues against them.

The omniscient moral compass that decides for us all what actually matters to us, vis a vis our political and spiritual beliefs whether we are liberals, socialists, atheists, muslims, or members of the Lord's Resistance Army regardless of what any of us actually profess.

And is under the impression Muslims can't cross bodies of water.

Having an actual intellectual discussion with you is like playing cops and robbers with the kid who says he was wearing an impervious bullet proof vest that blocked all your shots even when you paintball him right in the face.

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@#1992539

Muslims are allowed up to three wives. Trump had an affair when he was already married. It's clear you think there's nothing wrong with that.

You fail on Islam. Couldn't answer the question about if you've found a girlfriend and married her yet, so you changed topic. But you always exhibit your cowardice on questions:

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=122544&Page=2

Anyway, where does the OP of this thread mention Islam? But since you raised the issue:

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=122583&Page=2#1992549

@Kamism

"I love Alt-right retards that don't see how they are no different from the Muslims they hate so much."

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=115415&Page=1#1896551

@Anti-FSTDT (ie you):

"the fact that Islam is a theocratic totalitarian model"

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=115365&Page=2#1895876

@Anti-FSTDT

"For the record I do want to say"

"abolishing a republican form of government in favor of a theocracy, I'd have no problem"

(Trump praised Sharia Law for making marriages easier for men):

http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/01/flashback-donald-trump-praised-sharia-law-in-2008-said-clinton-would-make-a-good-president/

Trump can find another wife whilst already married. Have children by her too. Have you found a girlfriend yet, to the end of marrying her and raising children?

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