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The central problem with your stupid contention is that, according to the Babble, pain in child birth is the result of SOMEONE ELSE'S SIN from thousands of years ago.
Riiiiiiight, only women sin.
There will be roses in heaven. Beautiful roses with perfect blooms and long, vicious thorns and you will spend all eternity wrapped in their embrace. I can see it now.
Right...allow me to...something...
Well, *this* woman plans to use the wonders of modern medicine to alleviate the pain of childbirth.
No, this was the argument they used hundreds of years ago to justify BURNING WOMEN AT THE STAKE for using anesthetics.http://www.ffrf.org/fttoday/1999/April99/whatley.html
"It is recorded in the history of Scotland that in the year of 1591 a lady of rank by the name of Eufame Macalyane was burned alive on the castle hill of Edinburgh. She was burned alive because while giving birth to her twin sons she asked the midwife, whose name was Agnes Sampson, to give her something for pain. Now, Agnes Sampson, out of Christian love for this suffering woman, must have reported the incident to the church authorities."
I wonder if he'd feel the same way if it were him:
By this guys logic, he should reject every technology that makes procuring food easier than it was for a bronze age farmer - as I'm sure he calls, God also pronounced a punishment on Adam.
Define sin.
If you're unconscious during childbirth so you don't feel the pain, does that mean you didn't sin? If you use a spinal shot to relieve the pain, does that mean you're beating out the consequences of your sinning, basically showing you're stronger than god cause you can stop the pain? What about women who never have a child? They don't ever go through the pain of childbirth, is that a free pass to sin? Or does it mean they didn't sin ever, because if they did they'd suffer the consequences? ;)
Time for one of my favourite Bertrand Russell quotes:http://users.drew.edu/~jlenz/br-best-religion.html
The whole concept of original sin is for morons.
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Of course, this has nothing to do with the fact that the Bible was partially written to explain things we didn't understand... such as "Why are women in so much pain during childbirth?"
Always thought it was interesting that that pain in childbirth was a 'punishment for sin', while Eve was also instructed to 'go forth and multiply' (doing god's will). Oh, and the only way she could breed was through sex . . . also a 'sin'. Oh, except for that one noteworthy exception. All hail Jebus!
So, homosexulals are evil because they can't repoduce.. and hetrosexual sex is a sin because its mucky and all that... and God wants child birth to be as painful as possible so women are reminded what sinfull little sluts they really are... but we are supposed to go forth and multiply?
I can see your point, but study your theology sir. Under Jewish law it would be a sin to recieve pain medicine, because the Jewish people are a Torah-bound, Law-bound people. However, Christ set us free, and Paul's theology of love tells us that sins are those actions that go against love (of God, of others, of ourselves). Pain relief during childbirth is not a sin against love, so it is not a sin in the Christian sense of the word.
Jenny, in the fine tradition of the rest of the bible, Paul made up whatever shit he felt like.
And The Last Conformist, you're absolutely right. He should be out there in the field right now, sowing crops and tending the livestock, since that's the curse God laid upon man.
Should mares or does be concious of their sinning?, yes, they also feel pain when childbearing. Moreover, should all men work the land and give up their tie-n-collar jobs?, you know, it's their curse too. And by the way, it's Eve who did that, not us.
"reprocusions(sic)"
Die in a fire.
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Sin is a fictional concept. The pain of childbirth has a fully natural explination.
Also IWITARIH, you're a moron.
What the...? wrote: As for me, epidural quickly and often. Screw those idiots who tell me that my body knows what it's doing. I know what my cramps feel like and if they're only about 5% of the pain of childbirth, I am convinced that being in labor will kill me.
Once again: if men could give birth, this would never be an issue.
Yes, punishing half of the human race for one woman's crime (and it wasn't even a crime, she didn't know what she was doing) sounds SO logical.
Please explain to my mother what she had done to merit two scars on her belly, one from me and another from my brother. You'll be lucky to escape with your limbs intact.
First God did not want to make a woman. He wanted Adam to pick a beast as helpmeet. Then God a naked Adam with no shame and sundry beasts could have froliced for eternity in the garden.
But Adam wanted a woman , so God had to make Eve, and thats when Adam went off the rails *whipped* by eating the fruit.
God cursed Eve and all women with difficult and deadly childbirth. Such a nice God.
moral: dont mess up Gods plans for a happy garden party of naked men.
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