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i just don't understand when folks talk about abolishing prisons without putting the emphasis on capitalism. maybe that's incorrect of me.

anyways under _socialism_ i support the state punishing counterrevolutionaries by death. it's how we will reach communism tbh.

so capital punishment is wrong when done by capitalism. period. but under socialism it will be necessary.

understanding tactics used for state control as more telling of the character of the state than the tactic itself

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old comment by TimeToTurn

Capital punishment is a means to an end. If capitalists are executing murderers, then that's good. I don't understand modern socialists (not the laughable "socialists" like some here identify themselves as) for this reason. Good can come out of evil, and capitalism is a key example of this thought. It's like Osama bin Laden having died in a car accident.

More pertaining to prisons, think of the Holocaust (lolGodwin). There were a hell of a lot of innocents who were killed, but there were also murderers, pedophiles, rapists, and other convicts who got gassed. I don't think we can really mourn for them, they got what they deserved. There's murderers, rapists, pedophiles, and other crooks in North Korea's prison system too, for that matter, do they not deserve it?

Actually, they don't, they just deserve death, and so do their equivalents in the US. We don't execute nearly as many people as we should, thus they take up space in our crowded prisons, and force the taxpayer to pay for the living expenses of people who film themselves raping little kids and sick filth like that. And just read the inmate list in places like ADX Florence, more people who deserve a quick death.

Basically, capital punishment is necessary for a society to function in practice, although it would be great if it didn't need to exist.

anyways under _socialism_ i support the state punishing counterrevolutionaries by death. it's how we will reach communism tbh.

This is an issue too. Because only the psychopathic and mentally ill are genuinely evil and unreachable. Do counterrevolutionaries belong in prison, absolutely, or at their leaders would. Do they deserve death? Uh, not really. Most people can be talked out of their foolishness. Ten percent of people will always be idiots who oppose you no matter how great you and your system is, but they can be kept down in other ways than North Korea-esque stupidity. Like, say, making them as potent on society as you and I are now.

@Pharaoh Bastethotep

Nope, sorry.

@Musicalbookworm

Unless the people vote for it, amirite?

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@Pharaoh Bastethotep

As much as I listen to myself normally when I'm drunk, of course. Which is a lot. Drunkposting is fun, it makes me even more talkative and verbose than normal about things I'm passionate about. I live in Tennessee. I'm pretty passionate that I don't want the taxes I pay going to keep utter scum alive in my state prisons (child pornographers, serial killers). As an American citizen, I'm pretty passionate I don't want the taxes I pay going to keep utter scum like those in ADX Florence alive. If you're an American, your money is going to keep the Unabomber, Eric Rudolph (a favourite name of people here who like mentioning Christian terrorism), national leaders of the Latin Kings, Bloods, Aryan Brotherhood, Gangster Disciples, Mafia, and other major criminal organisations, Ramzi Yousef, etc. Point is, there's a lot of sick fucks in society, and I'm outraged I have to pay for their continued existence and not their quick death based on the idiotic notion of a "life sentence", which is just a delayed death penalty that wastes everyone's time and money. Death row in general needs to be expedited so we don't waste public funds on it. I'm paying to keep Memphis mass murderer Jessie Dotson alive. Colorado taxpayers are paying to keep Batman shooter James Holmes alive (he won't even get executed either, hopefully he's shanked/kills himself), all Americans are paying to keep some of this country's worst murderers and otherwise criminals alive in federal penitentiary.

Trump is a meme. I don't actually support Trump (right now we're seeing exactly as I thought--he'll screw us over, just in a different way than The Witch would), but the symbol of what he represents (for now, this symbol will change FAST once the Trump administration hits us with full force) is an inspiring anti-establishment emblem, and most importantly (especially for me), is one which people get insanely freaked out about (as in, killing themselves over, LOL) for no apparent reason that is actually based in facts. Based on this knowledge, I determine that liberals like you are about as amusing to mess with as the same fundies that get posted. What fundies were to the 2000s and Bush, SJWs are nowadays to Obama and it seems that under Trump, they'll show no signs of stopping. Blame my disconnection from everything.

Just like I wish Obama was who fundies thought he was, some arch-commie to go destroy everything they hold dear, I wish Trump was indeed our God-Emprah who would do everything people thought he would instead of just another Republican with a side of racism. It would still suck, it would just be funnier rather than sad.

old comment by Azereaux

@TimeToTurn

First off, if we must go into the good coming from evil argument, then IMHO the best way to look at it is in terms of net utility. In the case of people dying, that would be the elimination of people that are truly detrimental to society (i.e. unrepentant murderers and other similarly destructive people) versus the loss of relatively innocent life. If an asshole shoots up a McDonalds and happens to kill one pedophile with a scared child in their basement in the midst of their rampage, does that diminish the tragedy? One could argue yes, but that doesn't make it non-tragic, nor should it be a mitigating factor in the punishment of the offender (after all, it was just coincidence).

While I do support the death penalty, and even agree that some people that my tax dollars are supporting should be dealt with in such a manner, to say that these scum are the reason our prison system is overcrowded is laughable. That would be the failing war on drugs incarcerating non-violent offenders for sometimes ridiculous periods due to disturbing minimum sentence rules.

As to counterrevolutionaries... let's just be honest and call them political dissidents. As to political dissidents being imprisoned, that would seem to fly in the face of an inclusive, supportive society that most socialists seem to espouse. If you're not one of those, than I withdraw the observation of ideological inconsistency, and find myself further at odds with your view. It is at least a positive that you don't go so far as the OP in saying that disagreeing with Big Brother is a capital offense.

Maybe it's just the opinion of this one crazy person, but I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion, including the opinion that your "utopia" is anything but. The guy that drunkenly rambles about secession is not in the same league as someone that holds up a store.

While you and I are ideologically at odds, at least you don't come off as unhinged as the OP.

old comment by Jamaican Castle

@Mister Spak: In a country where you can't get arraigned on misdemeanor shoplifting in under a month, that wouldn't seem to be a major concern.

There's some middle ground between "we'll just shoot them as they come in" and "we're going to support these people for the rest of their natural lives on the off chance that the first 20 years of trials and hearings all got it wrong".

Not to mention, at a point, you can't give people their lives back. If you were sentenced to life in prison for, let's say, murder, and 20 years later the government decides it was wrong and sets you free, that hardly makes up for it. If you think the courts routinely mishandle serious criminal cases, that's something that needs to be fixed, not papered over by pretending that just because they can't sentence you to death, they can't take your life away.

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