[On being told that the Necronomicon is fiction.]
Yes, BUT since Lovecraft's invention of the name of this book (along with some of its rituals which he "borrowed" from Satanist lore) an actual Necronomicon has been published containing a blend of pseudo-Sumerian and Goetic ritual, with names crafted to resemble those of Lovecraft’s invented monster gods. One version is a compendium of satanic knowledge by somone calling himself, Simon, the Magicke Childe. More importantly for many would be Black Magicians who bought copies, it had performable rites and plenty of arcane sigils (magical symbols) to be used. To quote from a Satanic author of various works: "Satanists understand that any prop that is sufficiently stimulating can be used in personal ritual, so if the materials contained in this book send the proper chill down your spine, then certainly avail yourself of them. As Magistra Nadramia has said: 'Working with and expressing your emotions in the ritual chamber using this particular little black book is perfectly valid Satanic magic. A careful look at The Satanic Bible will tell you that Dr. LaVey encouraged the magician to use any and all elements of fiction, fact and fancy to create his Intellectual Decompression Chamber.'"
And certainly the violent and evil man my daughter married was a self-confessed Satanist (Praise God he has repented of all that and is now saved and filled with the Holy Spirit) who at the time read the Necronomicon and worked hard at practicing what it said to summon up demons to do his bidding!!!
So, regardless of Mr. Lovecraft's "invention" of it in a work of fiction, it is a very real book today containing ancient occultic spells and sigils which very real people are using trying to summon up the demons. And, trust me, if they are wanting Satan to come to them he most certainly will.
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What do you do when you're caught lying? Shrug it off and continue spouting things you've pulled out of your ass.
I guess "you shall not bear false witness" doesn't count if you're a Super Duper Real Christian(tm).
EDIT: I'm guessing the "self-confessed satanist" is a codeword for "not a psycho fundie". Glad to see the daughter turned out to be sane.
*facepaw*
The magick works, yes, because the spellcaster is FOCUSED. Everything else -- the spell itself, the props, the book, it's all psychodrama intended to induce the proper frame of mind for the working.
And no, the Necronomicon is STILL just a hoax, you can't summon eldritch abominations or cosmic horrors, or, for that matter, demons.
Also: Satanists don't use the Necronomicon. I suspect your son-in-law was messing with your head.
I'd always thought Lovecraft's work was supposed to be a reaction to the growing view within science in his time that the universe was cold, uncaring and totally devoid of empathy for life (or at least human life). His monsters were all colossal, mind-shattering creatures of deep space whose very existence disproved a loving god. I really can't see where Satan comes in.
A careful look at The Satanic Bible will tell you that Dr. LaVey encouraged the magician to use any and all elements of fiction, fact and fancy to create his Intellectual Decompression Chamber.
I've read LaVey, basically he says god doesn't exist so do whatever the hell you want.
the violent and evil man my daughter married was a self-confessed Satanist (Praise God he has repented of all that and is now saved and filled with the Holy Spirit)
Note that they don't care whether or not he's still violent and evil.
read the Necronomicon and worked hard at practicing what it said to summon up demons to do his bidding!!!
Oh, there's many who try to conjure up demons, at least she's honest enough to not claim that he succeeded.
Maybe if you people could tell fiction from nonfiction, you wouldn't be so fucking gullible.
"who at the time read the Necronomicon and worked hard at practicing what it said to summon up demons to do his bidding!!!"
See, funny thing about Satanists, they don't actually BELIEVE in demons.
"Yes, BUT since Lovecraft's invention of the name of this book (along with some of its rituals which he "borrowed" from Satanist lore) an actual Necronomicon has been published containing a blend of pseudo-Sumerian and Goetic ritual, with names crafted to resemble those of Lovecraft’s invented monster gods."
Not only that, but we've been breeding a race of fish/human hybrids in a secret vault in Newburyport, Massachusetts (which we're hoping to have renamed Innsmouth).
And just wait till you see what we've achieved using genetic engineering and giant squid DNA!
Satan only goes to people who believe in him. I, and I daresay all other atheists, don't believe in Satan, and guess what, we're Satan free. On the other hand, you and other fundamental cultists do believe in Satan, as well as other idiotic things, and guess what, you are plagued by him.
Why is it so important for them for Satan to be real? Wouldn't there still be evil without him? Is the existence of God predicated upon Satan's existence?
Satan hardly even appears in the Old Testament. He is based on the Babylonian figure of Ahriman.
"And, trust me, if they are wanting Satan to come to them he most certainly will."
Sounds like he's doing his own black magic incantation.
Necronomicon
Dead Names: Dark History of the Necronomicon
Necronomicon Spellbook
The Gates of the Necronomicon
Until mattfivefour has read all four of those (which I have) and has also read NECRONOMICON the anthology collection of H.P. Lovecraft's work (which I have), he is not allowed to comment on this topic. Like I am.
Simon's 'necronomicon' and H.P.'s 'Necronomicon' are two entirely different things. Simon didn't write his to make a quick buck off of H.P.'s invention. He wrote a treatise on Babylonian religion, then followed it up (in 2 of his next 3 books) with actual examples and documentation of the religious things from his work.
There is NO mention whatsoever of any Lovecraftian Cthulhu mythos in Simon's work. And it's 'Magickal Childe" and it was the name of a freaking store, you idiot.
Finally, Satanism was created by a man named Anton LaVey based off the work of Aleister Crowley and the Thelema religion he founded. Not Lovecraft, or Cthulhu. Maybe you're thinking of the retarded reject Konstantinos...
Whatever the case, you lose, and forever fail on Mesopotamia, Lovecraft, Satan and everything else in life.
Well, I guess that's ok then. After all, it's dangerous when people act according to (kah, kah, nudge nudge) fiction.
Just so you will know...satanist dont believe in any madjick sky ghost. OR a red creature carrying a pitchfork. Satanist realize both characters are not real. Unlike xians. And xians love satan, as without him (or the imagination that he exists) there would be no xianity. No hell, no fear, no manipulation of weak minds.
Uh, I've produced fake religious nonsense before for fun. It doesn't make it real.
And the official Necronomicon is actually just an collection of Lovecraft's books contained in one volume. I should know, I have a copy of it, although I have yet to actually read even At the Mountains of Madness...
"So, regardless of Mr. Lovecraft's "invention" of it in a work of fiction, it is a very real book today containing ancient occultic spells and sigils which very real people are using trying to summon up the demons."
You would know, believing in another kind of book. But at least the readers of HP Lovecraft's works can tell the difference between fact & fiction.
And that's the difference.
I have a big leather-bound Necronomicon right in front of me, but unfortunately it's just a collection of Lovecraft's best stories.
H.P. was a very strange man. Amazing how many horror and sci-fi films are just direct rips of his 80+ year old tales.
>>And certainly the violent and evil man my daughter married was a self-confessed Satanist (Praise God he has repented of all that and is now saved and filled with the Holy Spirit)<<
How do you know he's not just pretending in order to corrupt your daughter and lead her to SATAN!?
Surely she's already participating in depraved satanic rites, serving as the whore of the coven, swallowing the bodily fluids of every member in worship of the unholy goat.
Her soul is lost and the only way to save her is to stone her to death. Go do it! NOW!
I have summoned Cthulhu!
I have summoned Shoggoth!
I have summoned God!
I have pitted them one against the other for my own amusement, banished the champion, then summoned them all again!
I have shot Cthulhu with a tranquilizer dart and ridden him like a horsey!
I have done all this while wearing a rooster hat!
I. Have. Scribblenauts.
A minor nitpick here, since I'm sure that everything else has been covered by now:
"So, regardless of Mr. Lovecraft's "invention" of it in a work of fiction, it is a very real book today containing ancient occultic spells and sigils...."
Just because a work of fiction composed in the 20th century refers to fictitious occultic spells and sigils as "ancient" doesn't make them retroactively exist in the ancient past. They are still modern-era inventions, just like the pseudohistorical details in The DaVinci Code .
Ah, heck, he probably thinks that's real, too.
~David D.G.
I'm not in the least surprised that people who have demonstrated they can't tell fact from fiction are willing to accept any work of fiction as cold, hard fact. It's all of a piece with their delusional version of reality.
it is a very real book today
Yes, yes, it is. Just like "My Pet Goat" and "Pride and Prejudice and Zombies."
At nine I started growing gills and swimming in the sea
And soon I'll know the wonder of the sunken city
The Deep Ones, The Deep Ones! Tentacles!
The Deep Ones, The Deep Ones! Tentacles!
Who's always last to know, who fills the air with cries?
Whose sanity is blasted, and then who usually dies?
The victims! The victims! Tentacles!
The victims! The victims! Tentacles!
:::Sings::
It's so cute how you and the Satanists have this little game of buying each other's bullshit.
It's also cute how many of the ultra-saved can't wait to tell you they used to be baaaaaad dudes. They were doing drugs, man, they were totally involved in a Satanic cult!
There are very few Satanists out there, and they're intelligent, puffed-up annoyances. Basically, they're the Objectivists of religion.
Wow, I'm surprised someone actually added this guy's post in response to me telling him the Necronomicon was fake. I'm quite happy about all this.
After he posted this and I read it, I just couldn't post again, It's not worth it really. Obviously he believes whole-heartedly that the published Necronomicon is an actual grimoire of evil.
There is a particular fundy nutjob (who is supported by Jack Chick) named William Schnobelen, you may know him as the guy that says he was an ex-(insert all sorts of occult religious high positions and religious high positions), and also an ex- (wait for it...) vampire!! (No, I'm not making this up).
He actually believes Cthulhu is real!
If the Necronomicon can be real, then so can shoggoths, Yog-Sothoth, Cthulhu, Dagon, and Nyarlathotep.
I guess we're fucked.
Another gem from the folks who say, "If you don't believe in god, you'll believe in anything."
Oh, and Anton LaVey was a con man, a pop-cultural anti-establishment equivalent of a televangelist. He was not a doctor of anything.
mattfivefour(IQ) here had better not watch the anime series "Haiyore! Nyaruko-san " then:
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...and not just because Japan has taken Lovecraft's Eldritch Horrors and moe -ified them! SAN points of the purists dropped like Nightgaunts against Nyaruko's crowbar as a result...! >:D
(that's Nyarlathotep him... er, I mean her self in the centre; oh, and her on the left? Despite what's claimed in the anime itself, that is Cthulhu as a bespectacled MILF-esque hotty :9 )
'Oooh, Nya! Oooh, Nya! Oooh, Nya! Let's Nya! ' X3
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