Oboehner #fundie disqus.com

Parodyx:
(Homosexuality) is found throughout nature, therefore natural.

Oboehner:
Rape, murder, incest, cannibalism, torture, bestiality, etc. are all found in nature so according to you - natural.

Parodyx:
Here we go again, back to the same acts of abuse which homosexuality isn't. Is this a fun game for you?

Oboehner:
Here we go again using lame nonsense about gay being natural and running to hide when someone points out that your logic makes all the other things the occur in nature natural as well - by the exact same standard.

Parodyx:
The response to that is still the same response it has always been, the same response you've gotten from other people, the same response you will always hear from anyone halfway reasonable: CONSENT. Which, not coincidentally, is the word YOU unfailingly run hiding from- every single time.

Oboehner:
You stated if it happens in nature it's normal, you lying bro?

Parodyx:
I'll play your game. I stand by my statement. Now you get to explain to me why you think rape and torture are normal.

Oboehner:
My son and I recently witnessed 10-15 male ducks gang-raping a female (who repeatedly tried to get away). Have you ever seen a cat with a torturing a mouse, or heard the death scream of a rabbit caught in the talons of an owl? You also neglected to address cannibalism, incest, and pedophilia which also occur in nature so therefore according to you are all natural. Homosexuality is a state of being - being mentally/emotionally ill.

Parodyx:
None of those things is what any reasonable person would call torture (or incest or pedophilia). The animal kingdom has its own set of rules for what takes place. Cats eat mice. Owls eat rabbits. Since the medical world has no issue with homosexuality, I don't either. And your reason boils down simply to the superstition you were raised with.

Oboehner:
Now we are attempting to create different rules to justify you lame ridiculous statements?
Animals mate out of instinct, for example when a whitetail buck is in the rut, it will "breed" anything that resembles a doe (including each other). My wife's aunt one sent her a postcard depicting a buck doing a German Shepherd, so according to you bestiality is natural.
The honest medical world know homosexuality is a mental/emotional disorder. Nothing changed since the APA first put it on their list except political pressure.

Parodyx:
Bestiality is defined as a human being having sex with an animal. It's not defined as an animal having sex with another animal. The APA changed their stance because they got better data and it's only gotten better since then. I can't really explain what's going on with anyone stupid enough to believe you can lobby a medical organization. Especially when you are a marginalized group with little to no power as it was with homosexuals in the 1970s, but I get that you need your confirmation bias provided by hate groups.

Oboehner:
Cross species is cross species no matter who does it. Then homo must be two humans and not two animals - so you lie again.
"The APA changed their stance because they got better data." Another lie, it was political period, no new data, just PC BS.
I can't really explain what's going on with anyone stupid enough to believe you can't lobby a medical organization with enough pressure.

Parodyx:
You can't. Science is science. How do you lobby something that is authoritative? That's your problem right there. You don't accept authority. So running away with your hands covering your ears means that you can pretend evolution doesn't occur and even consulting a dictionary to you is an "appeal to authority". It isn't an appeal if the source is iron-clad factual. This is your way of trying to level the playing field so that everything becomes "faith" when your own faith is ridiculed when it makes bigoted statements. Who's the troll now? Daresay it's you.
Speaking of authority and the dictionary, look up "bestiality" to see how your attempt to twist its meaning failed so horribly.

Oboehner:
"Science is science" What is that some kind of magic phrase to somehow prove anything?

"What’s noteworthy about this is that the removal of homosexuality from
the list of mental illnesses was not triggered by some scientific
breakthrough. There was no new fact or set of facts that stimulated
this major change. Rather, it was the simple reality that gay people
started to kick up a fuss. They gained a voice and began to make
themselves heard. And the APA reacted with truly astonishing speed.
And with good reason. They realized intuitively that a protracted battle
would have drawn increasing attention to the spurious nature of their
entire taxonomy. So they quickly “cut loose” the gay community and
forestalled any radical scrutiny of the DSM system generally" - Behaviorism and Mental Health dot com

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