Homosexuality is also abusive behaviour.
It is not natural. An anus is not meant for sex, it is for defecating bodily waste. Don't use the "animals do it too" logic either unless you want to lower yourself to the same reasoning ability of an animal. Animals also like incest, so does that make incest normal natural behaviour?
If it isn't abusive behaviour then can you tell me homosexual men have healthy bowels?
And as it was said, there is not a single shred of evidence that homosexuality is inborn, just wishful theories. Probably by the same scientists who think God doesn't exist.
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(For the record, this poster is a married male. I checked before making this comment to avoid any statements that could not be true.)
OF course. If you don't understand it, or if you disagree with it, that means that a conspiracy is involved. Yes! It's all so clear now!
Animals also like incest, so does that make incest normal natural behaviour?
"If it isn't abusive behaviour then can you tell me homosexual men have healthy bowels?"
I wouldn't lower humans to animals. I would raise animals to humans. You are an animal. We all are. We just (on average) have more sophisticated brains.
God didn't have a problem with incest. He wasn't too keen on "sleeping with your bro's ho", as in your stepmother, but there's no explicit warning against father-daughter love, nor is there any condemnation of it when it does happen.
And monkeys and incest.
This supports a creationist hypothesis that I call bureaucracytheism. The Intelligent Designer who gave men prostates and the Divine Lawgiver who forbade sodomy worked in different parts of the building and never spoke to each other.
"If it isn't abusive behaviour then can you tell me homosexual men have healthy bowels?"Sure, A. not all homosexual men practice anal sex, and B. unless it's unlubricated, violent sex, I can't think of why anal sex would be unhealthy. Can you prove that homosexual men have UNhealthy bowels?
And as it was said, there is not a single shred of evidence that homosexuality is inborn, just wishful theories.
Homosexuality is also abusive behaviour. Heterosexual sex, too, can be abusive. Your point?It is not natural. Yes, as a matter of fact it's perfectly natural. "Natural" means something like "from nature" or "occuring in nature", and homosexuality definetely does. Not that it matters one way or another, as lots of unnatural things are good (antibiotics, anyone?) and lots of natural things are bad (think natural disasters).
An anus is not meant for sex, it is for defecating bodily waste. No part of your body is "meant for" anything. And if there was a God up in the sky that created us, ask him why my equivalent to the woman's g-spot is in my ass.
Don't use the "animals do it too" logic either unless you want to lower yourself to the same reasoning ability of an animal. I've heard this nonsense Red Herring before. The "animals do it too" argument is solely to establish that homosexuality is natural. Your stupid "well that means it's wrong, since animals are dumb" misses the point by miles.
Animals also like incest, so does that make incest normal natural behaviour? Red Herring revisited.
If it isn't abusive behavior then can you tell me homosexual men have healthy bowels? Consentual sex is not abuse any more than smoking or alcohol consumption is. You can't ban either.
And as it was said, there is not a single shred of evidence that homosexuality is inborn, just wishful theories. 1. You miss the meaning of the word "theory" in scientific jargon.
2. You have no idea how much evidence there is. There's plenty of stuff that implies that homosexuality is genetic. Not that it, eiher, matter one bit.
Probably by the same scientists who think God doesn't exist. Ad Hominem&Poisoning the Well.
It is not natural. An anus is not meant for sex, it is for defecating bodily waste.
The penis and the vagina are used to eliminate bodily waste, too, but you guys never seem to have any problems with them. Or do you think they aren't "meant" for sex, either?
Don't use the "animals do it too" logic either unless you want to lower yourself to the same reasoning ability of an animal.
Humans are animals. Stating that fact, or pointing to animals as proof that homosexuality is natural doesn't lower humans at all, it's just what is.
If it isn't abusive behaviour then can you tell me homosexual men have healthy bowels?
Can you prove that they don't? Individual health varies of course, just as among heterosexuals, but can you prove that in every case it comes from anal sex? I very seriously doubt it. Just because it doesn't turn your crank, that doesn't mean it's abusive, or unhealthy.
Damn you fundies are a dense lot. I am not homosexual, nor are many of the people arguing for gay rights. We simply think that another person's sex life and choice of their lover or life-partner is THEIR business, not ours. We don't care whether your Bible or you think it is an abomination. Fine, hold your beliefs, that is not the issue here. The issue is that YOU want to make it an issue. The issue is that we think that it is none of your (or our) fucking business!
One's sex life is not the only determinant of the state of one's bowels.
There's no evidence at all that homosexuality is inborn or natural. If you exclude the copious documentation of homosexual behaviour in animals, numerous studies done which show that brains of homosexual men respond to sexual stimuli almost identically to heterosexual women and completely different to heterosexual men, the link between homosexuality in men and lower testosterone levels, and thus the increased statistical probability that a man will be gay if he has more older brothers due to lower amounts of testosterone in the womb. Most of what I said can be found on the BBC news website under the 'science' section.
Two consenting adults IS NOT ABUSE. And following that logic, is a prostate examination an abuse too?
Ignoring the fact that you fail to cite sources, which means they probably came from some fundie propaganda site, which in turn means they were either shoddy statistical practice, or simply pulled out of the webmaster's arse, I couldn't help but notice that you failed to include control groups in most of your 'studies' there.
I can't be arsed refuting each and every one of your statistics, however here are some, cited with sources:Domestic violence occurs within same-sex relationships with the same statistical frequency as in heterosexual relationships.
* 90 - 95% of domestic violence victims are women.
Bureau of Justice Statistics Selected Findings: Violence Between Intimates (NCJ-149259), November 1994.
* Nearly 1 in 3 adult women experience at least one physical assault by a partner during adulthood. American Psychl. Ass'n, Violence and the Family: Report of the American Psychological Association Presidential Task Force on Violence and the Family (1996), p. 10.
* The prevalence of domestic violence among Gay and Lesbian couples is approximately 25 - 33%. Barnes, It's Just a Quarrel', American Bar Association Journal, February 1998, p. 25.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8008535&dopt=Citation
Are children at risk for sexual abuse by homosexuals?
Jenny C, Roesler TA, Poyer KL.
Kempe Children's Center, Department of Pediatrics, University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, Denver.
OBJECTIVE. To determine if recognizably homosexual adults are frequently accused of the sexual molestation of children. DESIGN. Chart review of medical records of children evaluated for sexual abuse. SETTING. Child sexual abuse clinic at a regional children's hospital. PATIENTS. Patients were 352 children (276 girls and 76 boys) referred to a subspecialty clinic for the evaluation of suspected child sexual abuse. Mean age was 6.1 years (range, 7 months to 17 years). DATA COLLECTED. Charts were reviewed to determine the relationships of the children to the alleged offender, the sex of the offender, and whether or not the alleged offender was reported to be gay, lesbian, or bisexual. RESULTS. Abuse was ruled out in 35 cases. Seventy-four children were allegedly abused by other children and teenagers less than 18 years old. In 9 cases, an offender could not be identified. In the remaining 269 cases, two offenders were identified as being gay or lesbian. In 82% of cases (222/269), the alleged offender was a heterosexual partner of a close relative of the child. Using the data from our study, the 95% confidence limits, of the risk children would identify recognizably homosexual adults as the potential abuser, are from 0% to 3.1%. These limits are within current estimates of the prevalence of homosexuality in the general community. CONCLUSIONS. The children in the group studied were unlikely to have been molested by identifiably gay or lesbian people.
Those studies about child abuse and homosexuals sound like Paul Cameron's group. He was kicked out of the American Sociological Association for shoddy statistical practices.
Therefore having refuted your two strongest, I am forced to conclude you are full of shit.
P.S. Your only other point that would warrant any attention at all (since even if that shit about increased incidence of HIV were true, they are adults and it's none of your damn business) is the part about children of gays and lesbians suffering from bullying. While I highly dispute the authenticity of your statistics, it wouldn't be a problem if not for fucktards like you.
@TheListener
It is not natural. [...] Don't use the "animals do it too" logic either unless you want to lower yourself to the same reasoning ability of an animal. does make it natural, pretty much by definition. Natural isn't a synonym for beneficial or wholesome of course; it is possible for something to be both natural and harmful. Whether or not something should be tolerated by society is entirely independent of how 'natural' it is. Do you have any arguments other than "it's not natural" and "the sky fairies told me it was wrong"?
An anus is not meant for sex, it is for defecating bodily waste.
Then why does a penis fit so well into one? And why is it possible to derive pleasure from anal sex?
When a fundie notices that a banana fits nicely into their hand and mouth they start crowing about how it's "designed by God" and "the atheists' nightmare"! But point out that a penis fits just as well into a hand, mouth or anus and it's "onanism is a sin" or "homosexuality is an abomination"!
Sorry, but if you're a fundie, penises (and bananas) fit up your anus because God made them to go in there. Deal with it.
Well, jeez, I'm not sure about the bowels of homosexual men. Although judging from your "Well, EVERYONE knows..." attitude, I'm guessing you've been wide-stancing on weekends.
Dude, straight people do anal too.
The mouth isn't meant for sex either, but just about everyone uses it for that purpose.
Lastly, both male and female pee out of their sex organs. According to your logic anything that is used for eliminating waste shouldn't be used for sex, so... NO SEX FOR YOU!!
"Animals also like incest, so does that make incest normal natural behaviour?"
Well by definition, yes it does. Of course, we don't allow incest because it inflicts retardation and genetic disease on the non-constenting, such as TheListener. Meanwhile, what two consenting adults get up to is none of your or my business.
" so does that make incest normal natural behaviour? "
So tell us who did Abraham marry again? And who was Hagar and how did she ft in Abraham's "traditional biblical marriage"? And how did Lot father the Moabites and the Ammonites?
Confused?
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