If my religion states that "if you do not believe, then you go to hell", and you tell me that is wrong. Then who is the one being intolerant?
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Neither.
There is a difference between simple disagreement and exclusionary beliefs. The fact that you and I disagree on the existence of god is just that-a simple disagreement. The fact that you and I disagree with my final disposition after death is also just simple disagreement.
Now, if you were to try and force me to accept your beliefs, or I you, that would be intolerant.
"Intolerant"? I don't think the word means what you think it means. Ideological disagreement does NOT equal intolerance. Does my being tolerant toward you mean that I have to automatically agree that any certain statement you make must be true?
On the other hand, were I to persecute you for your belief, or push to curtail your rights, including the right to proclaim said belief to your heart's content as long as it's done in a non-offending, non-intrusive manner - now those would constitute intolerance. Which is exactly why you don't see anyone doing that.
This joker is already in hell and has no escape from its unending circularity until the time that he dies, and then he won't know he's escaped or has been reprieved from his self imposed existence in the torturous depths. He simply won't know that he once lived in hell and now doesn't live at all. Death - the cessation of hellish delusion.
After all, I guess it's we atheists who actually get to observe the dwellers in hell.
Because telling you that you may be wrong is MUCH MORE WORSE and INTOLERANT than claiming that if people do not fall in line under your beliefs then they will be tortured in flame for eternity.
How dare they say you are wrong. The deserve to burn for that!
Meh. Not too concerned with hell.
I've been dead for billions upon billions of years before my birth, and it didn't inconvenience me at all. ~ Attributed to Mark Twain
You
If you hadn't claimed something so ridiculous in the first place there'd be no argument. You've got to be more tolerant than us because you have nothing to back up your claims, you people should expect doubt when you suggest childish concepts
"If my religion states that "if you do not believe, then you go to hell", and you tell me that is wrong. Then who is the one being intolerant?"
Neither. However, people like you don't leave it at "if you do not believe, then you'll go to hell" and, instead, advance to "if you do not believe and behave exactly the same way I do , then you'll go to hell."
See the difference?
Intolerant isn´t a person who just disagrees with you. Intolerant is a person who not only disagrees with you but is also determined to impose it to you no matter what. What you do, as Marc points out, is an exclusionary act to make yourself to feel contemptously superior to others for the mere fact of belonging to a kind of "club" or something like that. In fact, many Christians, including Jesuists, believe it or not, say that either Hell doesn´t really exist or it´s a state, not really a "place". All the brimstone and things you hear from the usual fundies comes from some religions who used it in the past, either to make them feel better about their minority status OR, once they were in power, to reinforce the power. Since Christianity in our society isn´t in either one position or the other, the idea of hell is a turn off to many Christians and potential Christians alike. That´s not intolerance, it´s simply the truth.
No one. If I tell you you're wrong, I'm being perfectly tolerant. If you tell me I'm wrong, you're being perfectly tolerant. If you tell me I'm wrong and that you're going to FORCE me to be right according your standards, THEN you're being intolerant.
First of all, telling you the truth (that there is no "god", no "hell") isn't intolerant. Secondly, YOU'RE being intolerant by pushing your religion on others. Now go play nice with the other imbeciles, the adults are talking.
Oddly enough, I find the intolerance of intolerance completely tolerable.
You're completely free to believe what you want to believe. Just don't attempt to force it anyone and we'll get along just fine.
Wow. You are so clever! Now, if my religion states that, oh, I dunno, belief is subordinate to good works, or that hell may not exist at all, and you tell me that THAT is wrong...
HAHAHAHAHA! Who's being intolerant NOW? Huh? Huh?
Am I telling you not to believe?
No. Therefore, I am not being intoleralt: I am merely asserting my right to believe otherwise.
What, he didn't tolerate your bullshit, and punched you out?
You really think that i'd give a flying fuck what your personal belief claims to be my fate? In ten words or less: No! So, i wouldn't tell you you're wrong, i'd just ask you to shut up and go mumble to someone else.
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