“Religion is bad for children, Barnevernet’s minutes seem to say, and too much religion is lawful justification for snatching children away from their parents.”
And there you have it, folks. A moment of honesty slipping out from the leftist liberal totalitarian despisers of God and of freedom of any kind. Constantly breaking the law where religious freedoms are concerned and being forced in the courts to finally admit their wrongdoing. Only to repeat their offenses over and over again. First it was, "separation of church and state!" to remove Christianity (and ONLY Christianity) from the school grounds and public squares, making it only acceptable to actually practice your religious freedoms at home in a closet! But if you are ever in doubt concerning their actual ultimate objective, you really have no further to look than the above quote from the totalitarian God despising horse's mouth.
"too much religion is lawful justification for snatching children away from their parents.” Wow.
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first, OP is wrong to see wide conspiracy in one incident.
can anybody find details on the story from sites that doesn't include "Christian" in their names?
@solomongrundy
thank you, that explain a lot. of course the "fundy" sites will frame it as "religious freedom".
How can you be liberal totalitarian? Or is that what Libertarian means?
Hey, Liberalism is built ON freedom, it doesn't despise freedom. (How strange it feels, as a socialist, to defend what I perceive as a right-wing ideology, against even more right-wingers...)
Dearie, you can't have religious freedom AND a state church and Christianity taught in schools. Religious freedom means that each person has the right to believe whatever they want (as long as they are not infringing on other people's rights to believe what THEY want). If you have a State Church, the state is more or less forcing religion onto its subjects. If Christianity is taught (and preached) in school, you infringe on children's rights to believe what they want, and on parents' rights to protect their children from unwanted beliefs.
As far as I know, it was ONLY Christianity that was IN schools and public squares, to begin with.
Their actual ultimate objective is to give the children freedom of religion too, apparently. THE NERVE OF THEM!!!
We have seen harmful religions in action. We've seen, far too often, children dying because the parents' religion prohibits the medical care that would cure them, and children given over as multiple child brides to a patriarch, and children hidden from school oversight because the parents think that education should start and end with the bible.
It's the duty of the state to protect children, and when they need to be protected from religions that do them harm, it's appropriate for the state to take action.
Hey, moron! You're supposed to practice your voodoo rain dances at home, in a closet! Your fucking holy carpenter said so before they strung him up on a lawn ornament! Fucking read your goddamned book of magic spells and hogwash sometime, you fucking dolt.
(TLT just pisses me off for his idiocy and victimhood-claiming. Stupid motherfucker wouldn't know oppression if it sold his children and invoked an occupying foreign government in his home country.)
If your religion is doing demonstrable harm to someone -- or outright killing them like yesterday's story -- then it's not an issue of religious liberty, be the victim a stranger at the mall or your children in your home. "God told me to do it" only works as a legal defense against charges of abuse and murder in those countries that you, yourself regularly deride as barbaric hellholes, you dolt !
First it was, "separation of church and state!" to remove Christianity (and ONLY Christianity) from the school grounds and public squares,
No religion is still in those places. The government can't endorse Christianity (and ONLY Christianity) in those places.
making it only acceptable to actually practice your religious freedoms at home in a closet!
In a sense, that is bibically correct. You god wants you to go to the closet and pray.
This may be the last we see of the Last Trump. Christian News Network started to remove his comments because they were too over the top even for them, so he had a trumper tantrum and deleted his Disqus account completely. Sayonara to one of the worst and most hateful Christian supremacists it has ever been my misfortune to encounter in this lifetime.
While I agree with the basic premise that there are times when it is better for a child to be taken from an excessively religious home, the Barnevernet’s documents do not actually say that. You are quoting a biased characterization of the agency documents as if it were an individual's statement. In other words, you're lying.
“Religion is bad for children, Barnevernet’s minutes seem to say, and too much religion is lawful justification for snatching children away from their parents. ”
Can you say 'Josh Buggar', The Last Fart? Q. E. and fucking D.
@Jocasta McFucken
"Christian News Network started to remove his comments because they were too over the top even for them, so he had a trumper tantrum and deleted his Disqus account completely."
Schadenfreude is the order of the day, then.
But if you are ever in doubt concerning their actual ultimate objective, you really have no further to look than the above quote from the totalitarian God despising horse's mouth.
Except if you actually read the quote, you'd see that it states pretty clearly that it's an interpretation of somebody else's statements.
"making it only acceptable to actually practice your religious freedoms at home in a closet!"
THAT'S WHAT JESUS SAID TO---
Oh, what am I saying? TLT is a blatant troll.
First of all, TLT, your lies are even easier to debunk.
Those kids were taken away for being beaten by parents who merely used religion to justify the abuse.
Secondly, the claim that Christianity "and ONLY Christianity" is banned from school grounds & public places is an outright lie. Nearly every school in America has a student-led Christian Council. There are thousands of Christian private schools in the US. Children are allowed to carry Bibles, read said Bibles, and pray at school so long as they do it during their free time, instead of interrupting class . Public-school teachers are not allowed to lead prayers because that would be a government official promoting a single religion, which violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, and because fundie parents would throw a tantrum if a non-Christian teacher did that.
And nowhere has Christianity been banned from the public square, except that government buildings can't promote a single faith by posting, say, the Ten Commandments or the tenets of Islam or the Hindu Vedas on government property.
You really are completely divorced from truth & reality, aren't you?
@ Kanna- you are only too right.----In 1998 Dr. Seth Asser, a critical care pediatrician and Rita Swan, head of the advocacy group Children's Healthcare Is A Legal Duty (CHILD) authored a paper in the journal Pediatrics. The paper addressed mortality in subjects who were prayed over rather than taken to seek competent medical care. Asser studied 172 reported deaths of infants and children between 1975 and 1995. These deaths occurred in 34 states and among 23 religious groups. He found that 140 of the children would have had a 90% chance of survival if properly treated, 18 a 50% to 90% chance, and only 3 could not have benefited from proper care. The children in the study were deemed only a fraction of an unassessable total number. So "too much religion being lawful justification for snatching children away from their parents." Wow. How 'bout homicide charges? Dolt.(P.S. I actually found an xtian website referencing this paper that stated: "Also unknown is the number of children who died after having received medical treatment who would have been saved by faith healing. As structured, the study only analyzes one side of the story". No shit.(Religious Tolerance.org-Ontario Consultants On Religious Tolerance))
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