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Miriamthebat #kinkshaming antiyaoi.livejournal.com

I think gay people deserve all the rights straight ones have, but I wouldn't be too happy if I was gay and had the support of yuri fans. It's kind of like pedophiles supporting little children.

Lots of fans of every kind of fictional relationship don't seem to understand the difference between love and lust. I mean, you can love your S.O, you can love your brother, you can love your best buddy, and it's the same kind of love. But lust is a completely different thing. I have a gay friend who's deeply in love with a girl, and even though he's gay, they have a very sweet and loving relationship. And then I know tons of people who only date thoes who turn them on and think it counts as love.

The majority of slash writers seem to be overly horny kids who think love (or hate...) and lust go hand in hand, and ruin beautiful friendships by making them stick their tongues down eachothers throats and bang eachothers brains out. If JK Rowling decides to write about Harry and Ron crushing on eachother and eventually becoming a gay couple, that's fine and very sweet. But until then, there's absolutely no evidence of any lust, so any yaoi of them gets labeled "sick" by me.

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Gl_towers #homophobia antiyaoi.livejournal.com

For one thing, when I picture a straight guy being uncomfortable around gay men, I wouldn't think he was homophobic. I would think he was a guy. Most striaght men don't like the idea of being gay, or have others thinking that they're gay. It's normal to feel that way, and there's nothing wrong with it. Being uncomfortable does not equal homophobic.

When you said that it made you stomach turn, that doesn't mean you're homophobic. It just means you're straight. I don't think you should be ashamed for feeling that way. If you got turned on when thinking about to people of the same sex together; it may mean you might have gay tendecies, especially if you got all hot and bothered thinking about yuri, but you don't. It's your biology talking, and just because your biology isn't the same as some one who is gay doesn't make you a bad person. Just like being gay doesn't make them a bad person.

You'd be homophobic if you hated someone just because they were gay, without even knowing them. You'd hate anything that would be associated with homosexuality. But you don't. You have friends who are gay. It's like watching your friend eat pickels with mayo and peanut butter. The thought of eating that may make your stomach churn, but does that mean you dislike your friend any less for eating it? No.

So don't worry about it. You're normal.

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Canadianjeepney #homophobia #wtf antiyaoi.livejournal.com

Actually, if you think about it, there is a lot of hypocrisy yaoi fandom, as the characters they subject their fetishes to are usually STRAIGHT, NOT GAY! SUCH FORCED PAIRINGS ARE AKIN TO RAPE! Also, the fandom is also highly mysoginistic (by bashing any females who are in the story, KH and GW yaoi fandoms being major culprits of this). So a yaoi fangirl/fanboy accusing us non-yaoi fans of being anti-gay, close-minded, homophobe (and any other crap)is like a POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK! (see wikipedia for what it means if your wish)

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Miriamthebat #homophobia antiyaoi.livejournal.com

Are Yaoi-Haters homophobic?
This isn't flame bait; it's an essay.

I've been adamantly anti-yaoi for a long time now. When I started off getting into various fandoms, I honestly didn't care much about the yaoi aspects and just ignored or went along with it. But over time for various reasons, I grew to dislike it, and eventually became flat-out disgusted by it.

And it bothers me, because as much as I hate yaoi, I am very much supportive of gay rights. I have many gay friends who I care about, and I believe that they deserve the equal rights in marriage, adoption, and everything else as much as any straight couple gets. Yet the idea of two men having a sexual relationship, even just KISSING, makes my stomach churn.

The hell is wrong with me? I'm a straight female and an atheist with no moral influences against it. And it's only yaoi too; I'm utterly neutral to yuri and lesbian relationships. It doesn't disgust me, but it doesn't turn me on either.

It makes me wonder about something that worries me. If I support gay rights but am disgusted by the idea of gay relationships, am I actually homophobic and thus a hypocrite?

Right now I'm active in an online role play community (based on Final Fantasy VII) where the majority of the members are gay. Not that there's anything wrong with that... but it often becomes frustrating. I love the community, but as one who hates Yaoi, when stuff I don't like appears before me I have to pretty much look the other way or grit my teeth and bare it. Every once in a while someone sends me a picture or a RP log that makes me want to puke a little. I really wish I could say "You know, I really don't wait to see this..." but I'm afraid of the backlash and accusations I'll get.

One of the leaders of the community is a gay man who is extremely sexist against women. He likes to talk trash about them behind their backs and exclude them from things. I'm one of the people subject to this, and every time he does an assholeish thing to me, everyone tells me that it's not because of something I did, it's because I'm female. He acts the same way towards the lesbians in the community, too. Everyone in the community allows it and no one really considers it a bad thing, just this guy's "quirk".

Really, prejudice against women by gay men being accepted by a community that preaches equality wasn't something I ever imagined before. I guess there are all kinds of people in this world.

The gay rights movement is a strange thing. Even though the main drive is love, equality, and peace, there's this hidden aspect of counter-bigotry that sometimes shows up. I think it's most obvious through all the hatred put out by rabid yaoi fans over shallow things like anime pairings and smutty drawings, but there's more to it than that. When a group of persecuted individuals gets big enough, they become quick to defend themselves by attacking back.

I'm trying to be very careful about what I say here because I don't want people to get the wrong idea. It's like walking on eggshells, really. I can't really understand my reason for being disgusted by yaoi, because I'm a woman and I'm non-religious. When you consider a straight man who's uncomfortable around a gay man, what pops into your head? You usually think of the straight man as being a closed-minded, dangerous homophobic religious bigot, or some kind of goofball flailing around comically while trying to affirm his masculinity. When you think of a straight woman uncomfortable around a gay man, you usually think of a homophobic religious mother worried that the gay man will touch her children or spread teh ghey to them. Oh, and gay men and lesbians just have a fabulous time with each other with no problems whatsoever.

But those are all stereotypes and real life does not work that way.