BenMcLean #sexist #fundie reddit.com

No, we do not hate women, but we do hate feminists.

"Nobody ever, ever, ever has any right to the use of my body without my permission."

Why?

"Because congratulations, you've just argued yourself into forced organ donation for MEN"

This seems to be assuming a radical egalitarianism which I don't think you will find is a common premise.

"Because nothing you've said actually decreases abortion rates."

Our goal isn't to decrease abortion rates. Our goal is to end the abortion holocaust.

Just as the anti-slavery movement didn't set better treatment for slaves or any temporary short term decrease in the slavery rate as one of it's goals, the anti-abortion movement does not have a temporary short term decrease in the abortion rate as one of it's goals. That sort of goal only serves to prolong the root problem.

"One out of three women in America has had an abortion--and those numbers only increase in forced-birther dominated areas."

Which areas would those be?

"A pro-choice position"

You're not pro-choice.

"Know how else I know everything you've said here is a complete logical fallacy? Because I'm in my mid-40s and was a fundamentalist Christian back in the 1980s. You're recycling arguments that forced-birthers used back then, and it was those arguments that chased me right out of the movement--and right out of the religion too! Shocking, how similar the arguments are, the ones used by both religious fanatics and forced-birthers. That's why I just sigh and shake my head when you try to bring up atheist forced-birthers. I've talked to them, and they are using the same arguments religious people use--and to the same idiotic end. They don't even realize that they're playing into the movement's agenda of re-Christianizing America."

Apparently, you need to read up on how logical fallacies work. You wouldn't have shown any logical fallacy to be occurring even if every single thing you said here was absolutely true.

"Oh, did I surprise you?"

Only with how little you understand how arguments work.

"The history of abortion in America is a sickeningly dystopian one; it's always been a dogwhistle used by religious nuts to restrict women's rights..."

I can simply respond that "women's rights" has always been a dogwhistle used by anti-religious nuts to murder babies.

"...and signal virtue--in this case against what they view as immorality."[i/]

Right because virtue signaling and decrying what you view as immorality is something you'd neeeeever do.

"You know what forced-birthers call feminism? "The curse of independence.""

You know what I call feminism? Brain cancer.

"That's why the forced-birther position concentrates not on lowering abortion rates, but upon making abortion brutally difficult to acquire.

Assuming you mean the Pro-Life movement, the reason we focus on making abortion brutally difficult to acquire is because the electoral and amendment processes have been circumvented by judicial fiat, (in Roe v. Wade) which ultimately destroys the respectability of the law. So we're going around the law. Rather than banning abortion outright, we'll levy a local abortion tax so that each one costs a trillion dollars, or drive every baby murder mill out of business with frivolous lawsuits or try any other dirty trick which has the same effect. Why should we respect pro-abortion laws when you don't respect anti-abortion laws?

"That's why they also don't worry much about the "precious babies" once they're born, and why they don't endorse social safety nets for the poor women who are plunged into worse poverty after an unwanted pregnancy."

That is untrue of the Pro-Life movement and it's supporters.

"This is my body. I own it."

No you don't. God does.

"And that, too, is something I'm not going to discuss with you. Resolve that on your own time. I'm not set up to fix that level of broken."

You can't actually address a point of view which significantly differs from yours?

If so, then shut up and get back in the kitchen, bitch.

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