With all the “clever” subversions in media, especially these days, of depicting the Devil as anywhere from cool to even a misunderstood good guy, it’s outright refreshing to finally see a work that portrays the Devil as exactly the kind of vile monstrosity that he is and God being unquestionably in the right for damning him
*Looking at you, Hazbeen Hotel
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What happened at the end of the 2nd “DOOM Eternal” DLC.
…oh, wait. Yes that’s right, id Software went for the ultimate subversion in that part of the game: The creator of everything , God, is The Evil One.
Very clever, o id HQ’d in that part of the US, Texas: the Buckle in the Bible Belt.
…oh, and you’ve never seen that adult musical comedy animated series created by Vivienne Medrano and Amazon were involved in: Lucifer Morningstar isn’t what you’re suggesting he is.
Certainly not in terms of appearance .
Nor was Davoth: but then he being God proves how unimaginably hideous your deity actually is.
With all thr "clever" fundie commenters ...
Oh, wait, there aren't any.
Now, I can sympathize with getting a bit tired of seeing "Oh, this evil guy/gal? What if s/he wasn't?" or "What if we looked at thing from when this evil person wasn't evil?" sort of storylines. There are a LOT of those. Some sillier than others.
Being such a common trope, I'd even be hesitant to call it "subversive" at this point, especially for the Devil. The Devil in particular has been a character for centuries and written every which way, from a wronged fellow who just can't abide God's tyranny, to the usual evil type, to a goofball who makes random bets to hillbillies over fiddle playing. You name it, he's done it.
People like this can only think in two dimensions. Like, they didn’t even read their own book (what a surprise!); Lucifer wasn’t ejected because he wanted to be God, he was ejected because he understandably had an issue with being commanded to kneel before stupid apes. I’m one of those stupid apes, and I wouldn’t kneel to us.
With all the “dumb” playing it straight, especially these days, of depicting YHWH as anywhere from benevolent to even a well-intentioned extremist, it’s outright refreshing to finally see a work that portrays YHWH as exactly the kind of vile monstrosity that he is and Lucifer being unquestionably in the right for denouncing him.
There, fixed it for ya!
@Tilver #225021
Honestly, I can appreciate all types of villain characters being used. From “irredeemably wants to watch the world burn evil” like the Joker tends to be, to “selfish despotism justifies the means evil” like Darth Sidious, to “well-intentioned extremist” like the Emperor of Man, to “Misguided good guy” like most of the Attack on Titan bad guys.
As long as one trope isn’t overused, and enough variety is used, I can like the Devil fitting into any of those archetypes.
@Tilver #225021
Now, I can sympathize with getting a bit tired of seeing "Oh, this evil guy/gal? What if s/he wasn't?" or "What if we looked at thing from when this evil person wasn't evil?" sort of storylines. There are a LOT of those. Some sillier than others.
A common trope for sure, but one that I TOTALLY enjoy for some reason, lol. Of course, when it’s actually done well, that is. Maybe it’s because I’ve been a big pro wrestling for a long time, and I’m used to those “face turns” and such.
Most of this stuff comes from the book Paradise Lost, not the bible itself.
Satan/Lucifer/the Devil/whatever is the protagonist (remember that not all protagonists are heroes and vice versa, the protagonist is just the main character) of the book, and that’s where they “heroic rebel with daddy issues” perception of Satan comes from. I’m not a scholar but I’m pretty sure that the idea that Satan rebelled because he was jealous of Jesus or of humanity comes from there too.
Paradise Lost and the Divine Comedy are essentially two works of Christian fanfic that have snuck their way into the headcanons of many Christians without them realizing it’s not actual canon.
The idea that the serpent (more like a lizard, since God punished it post-temptation by removing its limbs) in the Garden of Eden was Satan? Paradise Lost, where Satan possesses the serpent to make it tempt Eve, then God punishes him by turning him and the other fallen angels into snakes. The idea of different levels to Hell or Heaven? Mostly comes from Dante’s Inferno and Paradiso.
Confused?
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