Pretty difficult to demonstrate something '100% natural' in artificial lab conditions… we need to dismiss [abiogenesis]… Artificiality is irrelevant apparently, even though it requires intelligence and the relevant term is 'intelligent design'… you can't recreate a 100% natural event in a lab. It has artificial intervention.
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This fucknut obviously fails to understand the context of "natural" here insofar as there is no real "artificiality coefficient" with regards to nature: things can either "happen in nature" or those things don't happen at all. If it happens at all, it happens "in nature" because "nature" encompasses literally everything.
And as it is, the point of the lab is to reproduce "normal" conditions of an earth that is long since gone.
"Pretty difficult to demonstrate something '100% natural' in artificial lab conditions… "
But at the same time, there are those crestionists dismissing ALL SCIENCE that cannot be duplicated in a lab.
You guys are not actually advancing your arguments. Just babbling to protect your desired conclusions.
There’s plenty natural phenomenons we are reproducing in laboratories. For exemple, on 1953, Stanley Miller simulated in a glass flask the original state of the Earth by submitting to spark a mixture of water, methane, dihydrogen and ammoniac for seven days, and found afterwards amino acids, including some used in living creatures.
“Pretty difficult to demonstrate something '100% natural' in artificial lab conditions…”
Then feel free to provide specifics. Point to the errors in methodology and show how any particular step of an experiment could not possibly occur in ‘natural’ conditions.
And define ‘natural,’ please.
“we need to dismiss [abiogenesis]…”
That’s your premise. Now, show anything in any experiment that could not have happened in the real world…?
And demonstrate this fact.
“Artificiality is irrelevant apparently, even though it requires intelligence and the relevant term is 'intelligent design'…”
Yes, experiments are intelligently designed. But still, natural forces and natural materials are used. You STILL need to demonstrate that anything the experiment is testing could ONLY happen in a lab. Otherwise, you’re just bitching for the sake of protecting your mythology.
“you can't recreate a 100% natural event in a lab.”
An objection that makes no difference to the experiment. You have to prove that the important parts are negatively influenced by the observers.
“It has artificial intervention.”
Which still doesn’t disprove the point of the experiment, not by itself.
You know the Pendulum that shows Earth’s rotation? That’s an experiment. Pendulums do not occur naturally in the world. But the construction of the pendulum does not force it to turn at the rate the Earth does. So, it’s not a natural mechanism, but the part it’s measuring IS a natural force.
You’re just a luddite.
Confused?
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