So anyway, these two girls come in from the suburbs and they get bombed, and their car is towed because they're moronic girls and, you know, they don't have a car. So they're standing there in the middle of the night with no car. And then they separate because they're drunk. They separate, which you never do. All right.
Now Moore, Jennifer Moore, 18, on her way to college. She was 5-foot-2, 105 pounds, wearing a miniskirt and a halter top with a bare midriff. Now, again, there you go. So every predator in the world is gonna pick that up at two in the morning. She's walking by herself on the West Side Highway, and she gets picked up by a thug. All right. Now she's out of her mind, drunk.
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Billy boy, Billy boy, if she's out of her mind, drunk, at least she's got an excuse.
You, on the other hand, are simply out of your mind.
If she's drunk (or stoned) off her ass, she still isn't responsible. She is stupid for putting herself in such a high risk situation, but it is still the rapist's responsibility if he rapes her. Now go fuck yourself with a thermite grenade for blaming the victim.
OK, I think we can all agree she wasn't responsible, prudent, wise or using good judgement. If she had walked off a cliff, that would have been her fault. However, if some thug caused some bad thing to happen to her, it is the thug's fault.
If I hold the point of a knife to my forehead, I'm not being prudent nor wise, but if you push the knife into my head it's your fault.
To quote from Sam Kieth's The Maxx :
"This has to do with the fact that you're twisted as a corkscrew, and looking for someone...Women, feminism, Paglia, me...To blame it on!
You broke into my locked house and kidnapped me! This has nothing to do with the clothes I wear!"
THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED! She was being followed by a thug, and she GOT INTO A CAB TO GET AWAY FROM HIM!
HER KILLER WAS IN THE CAB!
CABS PICK PEOPLE UP! IT'S NOT UNUSUAL!
What the fuck would you have done in her situation? Die in a fire, because if she had been killed by the guy following her, your rapist ass would be blaming her for NOT getting into the cab!
Tell me, dear Bill, just how do you know what type of woman rapists and murderers prefer when they're driving around at 2 AM looking for victims?
"...their car is towed because they're moronic girls..."
This makes no sense. Their car was towed because they're moronic and/or they're girls? So does that mean that if they were very bright and/or guys, their car wouldn't have been towed?
"...and, you know, they don't have a car."
They HAD a car. It was towed.
"They separate, which you never do."
And we're supposed to believe that you've never gone out drinking with your friends and gotten separated because you met somebody or got into an argument with them or some damn thing? Unless, of course, you either: a. had no friends, or b. are so lame that you've never been out partying, or c. both of the above. (Come to think of it, these postulations are not just possible but probable.)
"She was 5-foot-2, 105 pounds, wearing a miniskirt and a halter top with a bare midriff. Now, again, there you go. So every predator in the world is gonna pick that up at two in the morning."
If she were 5'5" and weighed 130 pounds and was wearing a pair of jeans and a t-shirt, and it was 9:00 at night, this piece of shit would have left her alone?
And your use of the inanimate pronoun "that" to describe a human being is offensive. It tells me something about you that reminds me of the type of thing you find when you lift up a good-sized rock.
Your statement is supremely ignorant and arrogant. Who are you to pronounce judgment on these two girls "in from the suburbs"? I don't know what the hell your problem is, and I don't care. As a well-known member of the media, you have a certain responsibility to put your pea-sized brain into action before you open your big fucking mouth.
And we're supposed to believe that you've never gone out drinking with your friends and gotten separated because you met somebody or got into an argument with them or some damn thing? Unless, of course, you either: a. had no friends, or b. are so lame that you've never been out partying, or c. both of the above. (Come to think of it, these postulations are not just possible but probable.)
Actually, Bill doesn't drink, if he's telling the truth about that.
Come to think of it, neither do I, but at least I have the good sense not to go around accusing people who do of being guilty of their own rapes.
Amigone, thanks for the info.
I was thinking that back in his day, he maybe did party... or tried to.
It's probably a good thing that he doesn't indulge these days. He'd probably wind up on death row.
I hate to say this, but if a man was beaten, raped and sodomized would Bill be asking what he looked like, what he was wearing and if he was walking alone at night?
Rape is wrong no matter which way you slice it. Could it have been prevented? Possibly, but then the rapist would have found some other target and you'd be blaming her instead of poor Jennifer Moore who isn't even alive to tell us what happened.
I never thought anyone would listen to a piece of crap that talks like they do to Bill O'Reilly.
Rape is wrong no matter which way you slice it. Could it have been prevented? Possibly, but then the rapist would have found some other target and you'd be blaming her instead of poor Jennifer Moore who isn't even alive to tell us what happened.
EXACTLY! The guy was driving around in a cab looking for victims. It's not like he was dressed in a suit and tie on his way to church when he happened to see Jennifer and was so overcome with desire that he just had to rape, beat, strangle, and stuff her into a garbage bag (before strangling her some more). That is not the behavior of a rational, moral person, Bill, and I hope to the God I don't believe in that I never meet you in a dark alley if you think it is.
For all the ranting about how evil "the terrorists" are, ol' Billy-boy sure finds some evil, vicious, cruel, immoral, unconscionable behavior perfectly acceptable. It's almost like women aren't people to him, and that the only reason terrorists are bad is because they attack white men, who, unlike anyone else, have every right to continue existing and going about their lives.
Yes, the girls were idiots to put themselves in such a position. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY DESERVED IT, AND IT DOES NOT EXCUSE THE JACKASS WHO RAPED HER! (He doesn't say that they do, but it's not hard to get that impression from his words.)
<<< "...their car is towed because they're moronic girls..."
This makes no sense. Their car was towed because they're moronic and/or they're girls? So does that mean that if they were very bright and/or guys, their car wouldn't have been towed? >>>
I think he's trying (ineloquently) to say that the car got towed because they were piss drunk and there was no way anyone sane would have let them drive.
Any volounteers to sodomize Bill with a rusty pitchfork?
OK, lets see - I had to block 90 percent of this, but I still can't get over:
They separate, which you never do
What the Fuck is this? Scary Movie Five? Is the US a fucking horror flick nowadays?
Yes, Crosis, thanks. When I wrote my post I was in a cold, quiet rage. So, you know, I knew what he meant... but I wanted to pick this asswipe's words to shreds, line by line--since I can't do it to his smug, self-satisfied face.
Hey! I know a great way Bill O' Reilly can actually do investigative journalism!
First....
Badly insult a Turkish official...
That way, when Bill's gangraped by 15 300 lb prison officials,flogged, and raped again, he'll truly grasp the concept of the whole Rape scenario.
Though when Bill reports his findings, he might have to forgo his chair....
Or considering the state of Turkey's penal system, he might very well just "disappear".
Whats his explanation of his sexual harrassment
of one of his employees?
Maybe that's why he subcribes to the victim-blaming bullshit - because it allows him to justify sexually harassing women whilst blaming them for it!
To be fair to Bill O'Reilly (*cough* *cough*), I don't think he was blaming the victim so much as pointing out her stupidity. (He also pointed out the stupidity of her rapist/murderer picking up her cell phone and using it.)
It's like saying that Joe Schmoe parked his car in the worst part of town, left it unlocked with the keys in the ignition, and then came back 5 hours later to find that it had been stolen. I am not taking any blame away from the thief by saying this, I am simply pointing out Joe Schmoe's stupidity, and making it clear that the thief was simply seizing a convenient opportunity rather than specifically targetting Joe.
[writing this in ice-cold fury after reading O'Reilly's full statement in Media Matters]
Bill O'Reilly (and Ann Coulter, for that matter), are two people I truly hope die a a slow, painful death from cancer and when their end is approaching, I want to be the nurse on call so I can have the satisfaction of disconnecting their morphine drip and hooking it up to someone who can really use it.
I truly want them to suffer and suffer miserably for the cruel and despicable things they have said (and done) in this life.
Ok, so this guy is saying: let's acquit that pervert and allow him to rape more women and, why not?, children. After all, we are going to be more attentive on the victim's fault than on the possible danger that this saddistic bastard poses.
It's like saying that Joe Schmoe parked his car in the worst part of town, left it unlocked with the keys in the ignition, and then came back 5 hours later to find that it had been stolen. I am not taking any blame away from the thief by saying this, I am simply pointing out Joe Schmoe's stupidity, and making it clear that the thief was simply seizing a convenient opportunity rather than specifically targetting Joe.
Oh, is that what happened? She left her vagina unguarded and wandered away for awhile, only to come back later and discover that she had been raped, murdered, stuffed in a sleeping bag and thrown in a dumpster?
Or could it be that analogies between property crimes against men and sexual crimes against women are not only obscenely misogynistic (hello! I am not an object to be locked up in a garage!), but completely and utterly illogical?
She wasn't raped because she carelessly left her vagina lying around "unlocked" "with the keys in the ignition" (unless there's a lo-jack for vulvas that I've yet to hear of, I have no idea why you added these details, unless you're suggesting that simply being female is as irresponsible as actually leaving your car open and on and outside). She was raped and murdered because a man raised in a culture that condones and legitimizes rape (in part through attitudes like yours) was out looking for a woman to rape and murder. You correctly said that the thief, like the rapist, was "seizing a convenient opportunity," but the problem comes when you start saying that the woman was "stupid" for creating that opportunity - unlike the car, the opportunity is created when a woman exists. She doesn't have to do anything else. If it hadn't been Jennifer, it would have been someone else.
What would you have done in her situation? Would you have gotten into the cab to get away from the crazy guy offering you drugs? Or would you have stayed out of the cab on the off-chance that there was a rapist/murderer in the cab as well? Or would you have gotten in the cab without a second thought because you are a man (I'm assuming based on the analogy you chose, one I've been given before by men but never by women) with the privilege of not having to even think about this shit?
Your argument, rather than absolving O'Reilly of victim-blaming, just defends the practice of victim-blaming as legitimate.
"Anyone who harms another human being because that individual is vulnerable is a human predator. The victim is not to be blamed. Bill o'Reilly is a clod. I hope he dies in a blazing housefire. "
I hope he survives a blazing housefire and dies miserably a month later after several unsuccessful but painful skin grafts. As for Ann Coulter, I think her head would look good rolling end-over-end down a flooded gutter with the rest of the street trash.
If it hadn't been Jennifer, it would have been someone else.
I feel fairly sure that Jennifer would've prefered if it'd been someone else.
By being where she was, she was taking a greater risk than she'd done if she'd stayed behind looked doors. I can't quite summon the hypocrisy to say she chose wrong - I'd made the same choice - but she did make a choice that increased the risk.
I don't advocate killing, injuring, or attacking people for expressing their opinions, no matter how repugnant those opinions are. I don't even wish for violence against such people. However, if Bill O'Reilly is attacked, and people tell him it's his fault for being such an asshat, then I will join a religion that believes in karma.
Aw, Billy missed his nap... "and then Goldstein was all, "don't kill me hitler, boo hooo, i have a family"
I want Billy made into a hamburger.
I don't care if she's stoned out of her mind, passed out, and naked on the side of the road. To imply that she is responsible for the actions of the rapist makes you a misogynist moron.
I'm sure you think you're an intelligent man who knows right from wrong, Bill. What makes you think no other man can be like that when tempted?
"So every predator in the world is gonna pick that up at two in the morning."
Whereas every normal decent man possesses something every civilised man is supposed to have:
Self-control.
So you're on the side of barbaric, uncivilised, indecent subhuman males eh, Bill? You're basically condoning what they do? Honesty. So refreshing in a right-winger.
Therefore proving the more than infinite evil that is the Right-wing.
Ergo, we decent, civilised, decent, humanistic (possessing self-control) Left-wing men are infinitely superior to the likes of you, Bill. Q.E.D., bitch
Die in a fire, you worthless, pompous, self-righteous, dickstain Christ-tard.
morons because they dont know the city parking codes ?
Bare midriff , the hussy !
Sorry bill, dont read your own beliefs into the actions of others. A real predator is going to pick up anyone , no matter how dressed, drunk or not.
A young woman (and at my age 18 is still very young) makes a mistake and dies because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Why not claim that those that towed her car are responsible for the death ?
Why not claim the club that served alcohol to a minor are responsible ?
Confused?
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