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[Comment #60 or so on article about Stephen Hawking and time travel]

riddle me this, for those who believe in the Big Bang theory. If applying Einsteins rules..not sure if it's thermodynamics or what, to the rotation of the planets. From my understanding, according to evolution, the big bang happened by a bunch of atoms/particles that started spinning and accelerating smashing together and the universe exploded out from that. So according to the law, that any object that is rotating in one direction when another object is released from the main object, it too will rotate the same direction as the original object (example of jumping off a fast spinning merrygoround you will be flung in the direciton the merry-go-round was spinning, or example of jumping from a moving car). So then why do some planets rotate the opposite direction of others? curious to hear answers

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The Theory of Evolution has nothing to do with the Big Bang, which in turn has little to do with atom-level phenomena or celestial mechanics.

The reason why planets tend to spin around in only one direction around the star is that they formed out of a disc of matter that was orbiting the star. New star systems form all the time, so I can't see what effect the Big Bang would have on the fact that stars rotate and planets orbit them. As for why some planets orbit the other way, just because planets tend to spin around planets in the same direction as the disc of matter they formed out of doesn't mean they always do that. Perhaps something hit the planet and thus its orbit changed.

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This is just a huge clusterfuck of fail. It seems this guy has taken terms that he heard in high school science and threw them in with theories that he obviously has no grasp of, which really have nothing to do with each other, in an attempt to sound intelligent.

I've gotten to the point where it saddens me that people don't have knowledge of basic concepts in science. If you can't grasp the BBT, that's excusable (it is at the very fringe of human knowledge), but if you don't understand how our own solar system formed, or the difference between physics and biology, I pity you.

Disregarding the scientific jibberish...

So then why do some planets rotate the opposite direction of others?

Retrograde rotation, like that of Venus and Uranus, is theorized to be the result of massive collisions between the planet and debris left after the formation of either the planet itself or the solar system (comets, asteroids, etc.) The collision could disrupt the rotation of a planet and its tilt. (Venus not only rotates backwards, but its day is longer than its year, and Uranus' axis is tilted to 97 degrees, as opposed to earth's 23.5)

old comment by Reverend Jeremiah

riddle me this, for those who believe in the Big Bang theory.
Fail! Cosmology isnt a belief system.
If applying Einsteins rules..not sure if it's thermodynamics or what,
Fail! The first established principle which eventually became the Second Law was formulated by Sadi Carnot during 1824. Google it!
to the rotation of the planets.
Fail! Thermodynamics has nothing to do with rotation of planets.
From my understanding,
FAIL! Your understanding has already been shown to be faulty.
according to evolution,
FAIL! Biological evolution has nothing to do with cosmology.
the big bang happened by a bunch of atoms/particles that started spinning and accelerating smashing together and the universe exploded out from that.
Fail! The big bang started out of a singularity. Particles and atoms did not yet exist at the time.
So according to the law, that any object that is rotating in one direction when another object is released from the main object, it too will rotate the same direction as the original object
FAIL! That has nothing to do with thermodynamics, as you stated earlier.
(example of jumping off a fast spinning merrygoround you will be flung in the direciton the merry-go-round was spinning, or example of jumping from a moving car).
FAIL! That has nothing to do with thermodynamics.
So then why do some planets rotate the opposite direction of others? curious to hear answers
Fail! That has nothing to do with Thermodynamics. Not to mention I can come up with MANY reason just on the tip of my tongue. How about massive collisions with planetoid sized space debris for starters..but I dare not start a list as it will do you no good.

old comment by Horsefeathers

"riddle me this, for those who believe in the Big Bang theory."

Sure thing, Riddler.

"If applying Einsteins rules..not sure if it's thermodynamics or what, to the rotation of the planets."

First, that's not even a complete sentence.

Second, "Einstein's rules" have nothing to do with the rotation of planets.

Third, Einstein had nothing to do with thermodynamics.

"From my understanding, according to evolution, the big bang happened by a bunch of atoms/particles that started spinning and accelerating smashing together and the universe exploded out from that."

Evolution says fuck all about the Big Bang and atoms didn't exist prior to, nor shortly after, the Big Bang so no, they didn't start "spinning and accelerating and smashing together" to get a universe.

"So according to the law, that any object that is rotating in one direction when another object is released from the main object, it too will rotate the same direction as the original object (example of jumping off a fast spinning merrygoround you will be flung in the direciton the merry-go-round was spinning, or example of jumping from a moving car)."

That's conservation of angular momentum which, again, has fuck all to do with Einstein, the Big Bang, thermodynamics and certainly has nothing to do with evolution.

"So then why do some planets rotate the opposite direction of others?"

Comets or collision with other planets/planetoids/protoplanets/etc. are the most common reasons, I would assume.

old comment by Mike Sihl

"From my understanding, according to evolution, the big bang happened by a..."

That's as far as I read, because there is no point in reading further.

Now, I'm going to make this perfectly clear: The Big Band and Evolution are 2 different things. Yes, they may conflict with your religious beliefs, but that doesn't make them the same thing. The Big Bang is Cosmological, where as evolution is Biological. Now, Kent Hovind may have said otherwise, but remember he got his "degree" from a dipolma mill and his "scientific writings" show that he got his science education from someone who thought watching the Discovery Channel makes one a scientist.

In short, evolution has nothing, NOTHING, NO-THING, to do with the Bing Bang.

Do you understand?

old comment by The L

The Big Bang and the Theory of Evolution are two completely different theories, about two completely different things.

The laws of motion you're using are not only flawed, but appear to be based on Newton's laws, not Einstein's.

All planets in our solar system revolve around the sun in the same direction. However, Venus rotates in the opposite direction from the other planets. Uranus is strongly tilted. Both effects result from collisions with other objects.

Remember, a body in motion keeps going in the same direction unless acted on by an outside force. A collision with another large object, even a glancing collision, can have major effects on a planet's movement--or even break it apart. If gravity causes the objects to collapse together into a new planet, that planet won't be moving in exactly the same speed and direction as either of the original objects. If the objects form two or more bodies, then you have either a bunch of asteroids, or a planet-moons system.

Checkmate.

old comment by Anon-e-moose

Riddle me this, for those who believe in Creationism: why are there two conflicting creation stories in the Bible?

"If applying Einsteins rules..not sure if it's thermodynamics or what, to the rotation of the planets. From my understanding, according to evolution, the big bang happened by a bunch of atoms/particles that started spinning and accelerating smashing together and the universe exploded out from that."

PROTIP: Biology =/= Cosmology. Therefore...:

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@Almafeta

"the Riddler."

I'm surprised the UK arm of Warner Bros/DC Comics didn't change his name, as over here there's the Cockney rhyming slang 'Jimmy Riddle' = Piddle (Urinating). It's certainly the reason why "Leave it to Beaver" was never shown here - because in the UK, 'Beaver' is the slang term for Vagina (originating from a Victorian street game, in which youths would follow a man with a beard, shout 'Beaver!' and run away, leaving the man looking bewildered).

old comment by Exacerangutan

Actually, I think he comes at it from the assumption that angular momentum needs to be conserved, which is totally accurate.

Problem is, this "L = L1 + L2 so L1 = L2 = L" reasoning is kind of a failure of 8th grade algebra, more than a failing of physics concepts. The idea's kind of right, just he has no concept of how to conserve a quantity.

I'm sure there's a pun in there about conservatives.

Also, I'm impressed by someone managing to be wrong about six times before actually getting to the point. Now I kind of want to write a paper "applying Einsteins rules of thermodynamics to the rotation of rigid bodies: an analysis of baryogenesis as described by Darwin," but I don't think I could bring myself to follow through...

old comment by GodotIsWaiting4U

RIDDLE ME THIS, BATMAN! NYAAH!

You understand wrong, because A) that's not how the Big Bang happened and B) that has nothing to do with evolution, which is a purely biological process. The Big Bang was a rapid expansion of all matter from a singularity in the form of subatomic particles. These subatomic particles later coalesced into the known celestial objects, but the way they came together was what determined the direction of their rotation. Furthermore, you have to take into account things like gyroscopic procession (which is known to be affecting the earth's rotation such that our axis will eventually point to Vega rather than Polaris) and the possibility that something might hit a spinning object and tilt its rotation (or flip it over entirely, causing it to spin the same way but upside down). In other words, you have to do some actual research into the subject, rather than just parrot creationist talking points.

old comment by Giveitaday

for those who believe in the Big Bang theory

One does not "believe" a scientific theory, they either "accept" it, or "reject" it.

If applying Einsteins rules

They don't apply to the big bang.

..not sure if it's thermodynamics or what, to the rotation of the planets.

Neither relativity nor thermodynamics play a large roll in planetary rotation.

From my understanding

You have demonstrated your understanding of science to be nearly non-existant. You are a singularity of stupid.

according to evolution

"according to evolution"??? The ToE neither describes nor predicts anything having to do with physics or cosmology whatsoever. When it comes to The Big Bang there is no such thing as "according to evolution."

the big bang happened by a bunch of atoms/particles that started spinning and accelerating smashing together and the universe exploded out from that

Neither evolution, nor the big bang theory postulates anything even vaugely similar to what you describe. For starters, at the moment of the big bang all matter and energy in the universe was contained in a singularity, subatomic and atomic particles did not come into existence quite sometime later

So according to the law, that any object that is rotating in one direction when another object is released from the main object, it too will rotate the same direction as the original object

And it has absolutely fuck all to do with either evolution or the big bang. Atomic and sub atomic particles didn't "spin" off of the big bang, they coalesced after the big bang.

So then why do some planets rotate the opposite direction of others

Oh, i don't know.... Maybe one the several thousands of ways that an objects direction of spin or momentum could be altered. Such as Impacts, Gravitational Capture, Tidal Forces, etc.

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