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Well, this has truly evolved (the kind of evolution I can believe in).

I was asked about "Kinds", the word and concept predates the culture of evolution by several hundred years.
Lately, the naturalists are confused by what it means.

When you go to get an ice cream, you are asked what KIND you want.
You specify vanilla and you do not get chocolate.

Neither do they become one or the other over millions of years.
If you have a dog, you might be asked what KIND of dog you have?
Pretty simple isn't it.
The genetic code is what? Silly putty?

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old comment by Swede

There is only one kind of evolution, really; change over time.
It's the science of evolution, silly, not culture.
The ToE is only about 160 years old, so most things predate it, but that has no bearing on the veracity of it, really.

It's not the naturalists who are confused; they have probably used "species" rather than "kind" much, much longer than the ToE has existed.

I can also specify that I want Stracchiatella, when asked what KIND of ice cream I want.
I think it's more usual to be asked what FLAVOR you want, actually...
As ice cream has only existed for about a thousand years, then no; you're right.

As you mention dog (which isn't a species, but a sub-species) does that mean that KIND is down at sub-species level? A dog is a KIND of wolf, ya know. That would mean that not only did Noah bring two of each of over a million species of insects, he also had to bring two of each of every subspecies as well? They are probably in the tens or hundreds of millions, and not all are tiny

You're not making it simple, dearie; you're making it worse for Creationists.
Instead of taking it down to sub-species, you ought to have moved it up to family or order, or class, silly.

The genetic code is more like a recipe, or a computer program. Change one part, and you will have a different dish or computer system.

old comment by David B.

So "kind", biblically, just means a distinction of type then. We have as many kinds of bees as bee species because we're not particularly obsessed with bees (most of us), but we have as many kinds of dog as breeds because we are.

Of course believing in "kinds" doesn't necessarily mean you take the flood story literally, but since kind is now at most a species, if not a breed or variety, that definition presents a pretty problem for those who do. We know that "bird" is not a kind since there were at least doves and crows on the ark in the story, but now we have to accept that all the hundreds of breeds of chicken were similarly represented. After all, if someone told me they had started keeping chickens, I would certainly reply, "Oh? What kind?"

But the bigger problem is that kinds do change over time. So many kinds of dog, chicken, koi, cattle, etc. have been developed in modern times from existing kinds that the argument that one kind does not give birth to another is demonstrably false. If someone asks me what kind of dog I have and I reply "a chinook," I am referring to a breed - a kind of dog - that didn't exist even a hundred years ago. And it's no use their arguing that it's still a dog, "dog" isn't a kind, as they themselves implied when they asked what kind of dog it was.

Animals don't reproduce after kind, professor, and you have just admitted as much.

old comment by Canadiest

Neapolitan.
I've even seen checkerboard Vanilla and chocolate.

Also you've just copped to a fundamental mistake that will have the fundamentals going all fundie on your ass.

"If you have a dog, you might be asked what KIND of dog you have? Pretty simple isn't it"
Yeah, aint you?

That's right, you've narrowed kind to a breed, not the entire species. Bad Fundie! Your marching orders are clear: every dog or anything that resembles a dog had to be some teeny Dog-thing that walked off the Ark next to a teeny Cat-thing, in front of a teeny-Elephant thing and behind a teeny-Tyrannosaurus thing 4000 years ago.

Y'know, cause everything had to be real teeny to fit, you've just decided coyotes, wolfs, Hyenas,dingos and all ancient dogs are separate kinds now, boats really getting crowded, a fleet maybe? Such a bad fundie.

old comment by Anon-e-moose

Unless there's a branch of Ben & Jerry's in downtown Seoul that does bul(l)[i]dog[/i]i ice cream with Kimchi sauce, then a case of Use of Bad Analogy. Your argument is invalid.

Oh, and what ice cream parlour server would say 'What KIND of ice cream do you want'?!, when they'd say 'What FLAVOUR would you like?' Question: what breed were the dogs that Noah took on the Ark? PROTIP: Wolves are completely different to domestic dogs - certainly breed-wise (the disparity in sizes, numbers of breeds etc - which are as a result of human intervention; cross-breeding, hybridising, isolation of characteristics: the 'Standard' breeds) - but they are all descended from wolves; the Malamute is as near as dammit to Canis Lupus genetically.

Yet how do you account for the Irish Wolfhound & the Chihuahua?. So either Noah took at least two of ALL 'Standard' breeds that exist today, or that dog 'kind' was just the Wolf, Canis Lupus: the genetic basis of ALL canids, and not just domestic dogs (In that case, try and breed a Red Fox with a Grey Wolf. Two words: Genetic Incompatibility.

Yet - due to them being the same - they SHOULD breed, as you claim they are of the same 'Kind': Canid). Pretty simple Argument Annihilation, isn't it. Oh, and the word 'Labradoodle' renders the whole 'Ark' thing as worse-than fiction, even destroying the very doctrinal basis it's part of: the Bible. Because if ALL animals were just poofed into existence, as is, without any change whatsoever, as per 'Creationism' >>>>> Evolution, then how do you account for the Labradoodle: a species of dog that didn't exist until 1988: CE?

Did you know that dog milk tastes exactly the same when it's gone off, as it does fresh? [/"Red Dwarf"] There's a 'Kind' of ice cream you should try. Indeed, you are forced to make & eat such, if your 'argument' - based on that analogy - has any right to exist. Your brain is what... silly putty?

@Grimsoncrow

Ask Ray Cumfart about where the main ingredient in a Banana Split came from originally, then watch him suffer far worse pain than from Brainfreeze!

@quinky

One word: Neapolitan.

@Reynardine

Going by the adverts for Ben & Jerry's frozen Greek style yoghurt, it also includes added Zeus. X3

@Dan Onymous

I hear there's a place in America (I saw on "Diners, Drive-ins & Dives"; also "Outrageous Food") that makes ice cream with non-standard flavourings/ingredients. One such being Bacon. So, prof: is Bacon ice cream a 'kind' of main course? [/hyper-paradox] Because I certainly wouldn't put a dollop of Vanilla ice cream on top of my fryup of fried/scrambled eggs, sausages, baked beans, fried tomatoes & mushrooms, black pudding ('Blood Sausage'), fried bread & bacon, as ice cream is for afters: Dessert. And Dessert =/= main course. (Which is why I've never understood this whole 'Fruit with Meat' - Pineapple with Gammon/on Pizza - thing (CranBERRY sauce on Turkey?! (*retches*); also, re. our 'Pancake Day', I associate pancakes with SAVOURY; I'd eat them with Chips. I mean: SYRUP?! YUCK! XP Question: Would you put Curry Sauce on apple pie? Custard on Sausages? Q.E. and D. Savoury is savoury, Sweet is sweet, and ne'er the twain shall meet: except in the stomach.)

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@OzInJohn

"And all of you sniggering in the backgound, grow up! :) "

http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2012/09/06/ben-jerrys-ice-cream-flavors-puns/

'Boston Cream Thigh'. 'New York Fat & Chunky'. 'Schwetty Balls'.

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...desu~

...oh, and this may be hard to swallow, but there's Viagra ice cream:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2602328/Forget-little-blue-pill-Viagra-ICE-CREAM.html

No need for freezing: it comes in already hardened form. X3

And even if one should get a stiff tongue from consuming such, then that's all for the better, eh?! No wonder it's recommended by cunning linguists! It's best to have this at the weekend; 72 hours of sweet, creamy sex. And afterwards, spooning. On a Sundae.

[/Carbonated Margarine] X3

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