God takes the plan of salvation VERY seriously. So serious that he had a man killed merely for picking up some sticks. This short story tucked away in the Old Testament speaks swelling volumes of books concerning the free gift of eternal life. It is a gift indeed and no work may be done to have it. If you even pick up some sticks to be saved, God will put you into Hell forever to burn and be tormented. There will be NO exceptions for anyone!!!
God sentenced that man to death in the Wilderness for just picking up some sticks! That doesn't seem very fair does it? I mean, they were just some sticks! What kind of God would kill a man for just picking up some sticks? A good God, that's Who! A good God that doesn't want anyone to go to Hell. God is telling us through the death of this man that adding even the smallest amount of human effort will send us to Hell forever. 2nd Peter 3:9, “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
God is warning the world in Numbers 15:32-35 that He is not playing games. If you ADD anything to faith alone in Christ, you will be sentenced to the Lake of Fire for all eternity. God will, guaranteed, show no mercy and have the angels cast you into second death forever.
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You know, I seem to recall there was this guy who talked about how people who didn't support the weak, help those in need, etc. were basically giving God the finger their whole lives and would go to hell for it. What was his name, tip of my tongue, something with a "J"...
How many times can a person contradict what they literally just said in one monologue? How the hell can a person's brain even process such insane troll logic? "God sends people to hell so he wouldn't have to send people to hell", how can anybody possibly have such contradicting logic without being insane? This is like ME3's Catalyst's logic! But at least that thing was implied not to be functioning as intended.
So God "loves us so much" and doesn't want anybody to go to hell, so he sends people to hell just for picking up sticks... sends people to hell merely for trying to do good...
I would say Davey's definition of "love" is not the same as ours, but it's obvious now that the only emotion the guy knows is "hate". Still, an "original" way of giving an excuse so you're not forced to do any good to other people... Heaven's forbid you might actually follow the decent teachings of your religion.
Also, mind explaining why god's only means of communication seems to be murdering random people? I mean, does the concept of "talking" elude an omnipotent & omniscient being?
And if this is what god really is like, I'd rather go to hell where all the sensible people are than brownnose such a sadistic, selfish, psychopathic manchild.
Non Sequitur.
What kind of God would kill a man for just picking up some sticks? A good God, that's Who!
Are we sure this guy isn't a Poe? Really?
Of course what David and all them omit in these "just laws" is that the primitives or about 2 billion humans haven't been told by his damn God picking up sticks on Sunday is a crime that demands eternal punishment.
Thereby a little more racism and culture hatred is fostered.
God takes the plan of salvation VERY seriously. So serious that he had a man killed merely for picking up some sticks ... There will be NO exceptions for anyone!!!
That's right. Look what happened to Jesus and his disciples for picking corn on the Sabbath: Jesus ended up being crucified, and most of the others died horrible deaths!
I've said it before, I'll say it again, the way the world works, if everybody stopped working on Sunday, stopped doing anything that counted as productivity, America would loose soooo much fucking money.
If you ADD anything to faith alone in Christ, you will be sentenced to the Lake of Fire for all eternity.
What a wonderful excuse for not doing all the kind and decent things that Jesus told you to.
Next time on David J. Stewart's totally Christian friendly apologist show our Godly host explains why God was in fact good when he sent bears to maul a bald man's tormentors to death and why the immoral, baby devouring, atheists will be going to Hell.
"What kind of God would kill a man for just picking up some sticks? A good God, that's Who! A good God that doesn't want anyone to go to Hell."
Coulda fooled me, motherfucker - what with all those stupid, petty rules he has in place like that retarded picking-up-sticks-on-the-sabbath rule. It seems far, far more likely that your Gawd is trying to send as many people to hell as possible.
God takes the plan of salvation VERY seriously.
Wow, you really should think before you write something and read what you've written. You make God sound like some kind of wierd uncle: "God may normally be a goofy laid back kind of guy, but when it comes to salvation, woah, step back, he takes that VERY seriously."
Why do I doubt an eternal omnipotent being would differentiate "emotions" like that?
A good God that doesn't want anyone to go to Hell.
Then why does he come up with petty micro-management style rules that most people are bound to break and send them to Hell when they do? What an asshole.
By the way, it's obvious what you're getting at. "Good deeds" and acts are the Catholic addition to faith you Baptists hate so much. Why don't you just say "all Catholics are going to go to Hell for doing good deeds" and get it over with?
You're wording it as through Christianity is a divinely bestowed carte blanche that permits, nay, exhorts us to be as despicable or selfishly idle as possible while we profess the faith. It also seems as though you're twisting the original meaning of that passage in an attempt to make it correspond with your personal beliefs. If anything, one can infer that God takes rites and reverent behaviors extremely seriously. He killed a man for flouting the Sabbath edict, so He'll likely kill (and damn, apparently) anyone who asserts that His sacred laws (the act of conforming to them is a good work in itself) are irrelevant and detrimental to one's salvation. Didn't James say that a faith without works was dead? Even if one interprets that claim as "good works indicate and naturally accompany a truly saved believer," that interpretation is utterly different from what you're currently averring.
(Sighs) I really want to be a pious Christian, but passages like these are so depressing... Why does God seem to despise humanity, and why are scores of His adherents so sanctimonious, condemning, and laden with worse sins? At the very least, some of his more zealous followers are amusing to read about. They make me feel less stupid.
Plan, what plan? God sentenced a guy to death for picking up sticks but did nothing when DJS sticked his dick up a little girl's slick ("There will be NO exceptions for anyone!!!" my ass). How is that indicative of a plan? If this "God" character made Hell and doesn't want anyone to go there, why make Hell in the first place? It seems like a shitty plan, that's all I'm saying.
In the story God didn't directly kill the man for picking up sticks on the sabbath, he told Moses to tell the 'congregation' to do it which is very different. If 'God told me to do it' isn't a much of a defense to a murder charge 'God told someone to tell me to do it' must be even worse.
Incidentally, the previous verses are instructions of how to perform ritual animal sacrifices and the following one concerns the necessity of attaching blue tassels to the corners of your garments. Somehow I doubt the kiddiefiddler attaches much importance to observing those.
Romans 11:26-32.
And when that destroys one of the cornerstones of Christian doctrine - the loophole the above piece of Scripture represents to - John 14:6, then I'm afraid we Atheists (who'll be joinging all those Jews via Rom. 11:30-32, via our 'Disobedience', like said Jews) show no mercy to you & all your fundie ilk, via the one simple but 'belie fs'-destroying fact: we know more about your own 'belie fs' than you do.
...see? We can 'Cherrypick' too. So I'm afraid that avenue of justifying your 'belie fs' - certainly with your own bigotries etc - is now closed to you now. >:D
Doing recon, it turns out he's using the separation of the Sabbath as a metaphor for God's plan of salvation. The preceding six days signify humanity's futile attempts to attain salvation and sinlessness by itself. The Sabbath, meanwhile, signifies God's successful attempt to grant salvation, and the abjuration of work signifies that man ought to rest from all work and effort. Including that which is an attempt to become righteous. It's an edict, essentially, that forbids any to trespass on what is properly God's work alone. Forbidding firewood collection et al. signifies not to add anything like water baptism, swearing fealty to the Christ (in lieu of just having faith in the Gospel--which Stewart specifically calls the Crucifixion and Resurrection), sacraments, etc. He even says that repentance is not a change of life, but change of mind (I presume he means not doing good with the motive of getting into heaven...And/or abstaining from even trying to do good for the world in favor of maintaining one's own purity, and letting God do all the good instead.).
"What kind of God would kill a man for just picking up some sticks? A good God, that's Who! A good God that doesn't want anyone to go to Hell."
So he dooms a man to go to hell instead of giving him a stance to repent for his sin.
If he omnipotent or not? If he's omnipotent and doesn't want anyone to go to hell, that's easy. Quit sending people there.
"God is telling us through the death of this man that adding even the smallest amount of human effort will send us to Hell forever."
I thought he was already telling us through "the Bible". Why does he have to kill to make an example? Those who don't take the Bible on faith will just say "yea right he died of natural causes. People have heart attacks all the time."
My Goddess can kick your Demiurge a BILLION TIMES OVER!
....Then Her Masculine counterpart will roger him like phallic horned gods are wont to do....
That said, I don't like rape & I'd prefer The Horned God simply rammed his head into the Demiurge's tiny guy-bits.
Then Christ & Lucifer join forces and give AntiGod a wedgie!
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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