(from amren: “james-watson-wont-stop-talking-about-race” story)
The trouble is that about 65% of whites and about 99% of blacks will hear what Mary-Claire King said and think that it's a good argument against what Watson said even thought it has absolutely nothing to do with what Watson said. And another thing, why would any logical white person, who wants the white race to survive, want the average black IQ to be equal to the average white I
Fact: average American black IQ is 15 pts lower than average American white IQ. However, individually, there are many blacks who are a lot smarter than whites and vice versa. Furthermore, most blacks in America have sufficient intelligence to live productive lives, no different than a broad segment of whites who have ordinary IQ levels.
Perhaps you could explain, why disparate average IQ levels between American blacks and whites is SO important to you and your race realist brethren?
What a fantastic question but do you really need to ask? I give you exhibit A: Planet Earth. Look around it. The darker the skin of the people who predominate in any country the more poverty and crime. Don't bother with the world just limit it to the United States. The darker the skin of the people who predominate in any city and the more poverty and crime. I could go on breaking things down for you but hopefully to can see the pattern.
And yes the average black has enough intelligence to live a semi-productive life but only because he is surrounded by white people and an infrastructure invented and sustained by whites. How would this average black guy be doing in Africa? Not so well. Right?
I could answer you in another way. WLP gave an excellent talk on this subject but almost all advancements have been made by whites in the genius IQ range. If whites on a large scale interbred with nonwhites this would pull the number of whites in the genius IQ range down and grind all advancements to a halt. It's complicated.
A prevalent belief amongst race realists is: “black people aren’t smart enough to exist in 1st world societies” and “have a propensity for committing crime”. Based on this belief, they feel a segregated America should be revived. A very large number of productive blacks in America unequivocally destroys that belief. Reasonable, unbiased people of all races see blacks daily participating in the American dream.
The darker the skin of the people who predominate in any city and the more poverty and crime.
I’m a black baby boomer who grew up in Washington DC on the tail end of segregation. As was true with most cities with black populations, with the advent of integration, blacks who could afford better moved out of the cities, leaving a concentration of poor blacks. Many of the blacks that moved out now live in middle class suburban black neighborhoods. Contrary to popular (race realism)belief, cities like Washington DC have many areas that are populated with middle to upper class blacks, with poor blacks living in pockets.
And black crime: the second weapon of attack used to justify a return to segregation. “Blacks have a propensity for committing crime”, like black intelligence “facts”, it’s a “fact” unsupported by scientific research.
The bulk of crime being committed by blacks is being committed by young black males involved in drug gang violence. Young black gangsters are protecting the very lucrative profits generated by the black market enterprise: DRUGS. The same phenomena existed during prohibition when young white men were committing crime and violence against each other at exorbitant rates, protecting the very lucrative profits of that other black market enterprise: ALCOHOL. Black market enterprises that generate large sums of cash tend to attract large scale violence. Lucrative cash, not genetics, is responsible for much of the crime and violence in black communities.
And yes the average black has enough intelligence to live a semi-productive life but only because he is surrounded by white people and an infrastructure invented and sustained by whites.
Semi-productive? The average black has enough intelligence to live a productive life, no different than the average white. Race realists like to push the myth of – most whites being intelligent enough to invent the marvelous technologies we enjoy – but the truth of the matter is, most whites are quite ordinary when it comes to IQ, as capable of sustaining a society as most blacks and would be lost too if forced to sustain their surroundings. You race realists live vicariously through the achievements of your more talented brethren(whose numbers are relatively small in number).
First I repeat, I would rather see the discussion on the top where I opened the same topic. This discussion here is buried very low, nobody will find it.
WallyWally, do you understand the scientific method? Most anti-racists keep making unproven statement and guesses. If you say what is PC you can make unproven statements or prove them with pseudoscience. Have you read Richard Lynn's books like "IQ and the wealth of Nations" who has clearly proven the statement that the darker the skin the lower the average income and gross national product of countries and regions
A few middle class blacks, who run away from their lower IQ high crime brothers to hide in white/Asian neighborhoods or the rare black middlle class region don't fix black AVERAGES of crime, school dysfuncion, and welfare.
Als WallyWally, be honest. Like Obama, and Sottomayor, you probably benefitted from a life of constant affirmative action. Even the vote for Obama was mostly BECAUSE of his skin color.
Again, I suggest we continue the conversation above on the new post that I started
By the way, read Sincerity.net
Middle class blacks are no different than middle class whites when they choose to purchase homes in middle class neighborhoods, black or white. Middle class whites don’t purchase homes in poor white Appalachian neighborhoods, they purchase homes in middle class neighborhoods. Why should our(black) purchasing strategy be different than yours(white)?
The bulk of crime in inner city neighborhoods is mainly driven by black market forces: DRUGS in particular, the same black market forces that drove white prohibition era crime. The high crime rates are certainly not a result of a 15 point difference in average IQ between blacks and whites.
Your(race realist) claim: “lower IQ is responsible for the education gap between blacks and whites”, is unproven and nonsensical given there are more plausible explanations for the gap. How much IQ horsepower is needed to sufficiently master the K – 12 education curriculum? Unless you know the answer to that question, you can’t begin to make your claim regarding IQ and the education gap. Poor parenting(single, barely of age, mothers), violence infested neighborhoods, the misguided distructive belief: “studying is ‘acting white’, are much more plausible explanations for the educational failures in inner city neighborhoods.
george00: An ordinary IQ for whites is 100. An ordinary IQ for blacks is 85. Whites are much more capable of sustaining a society than blacks. Most whites plan their lives around avoiding blacks. That's why there's white flight. The reason for white flight is pretty much illustrated by the type of conversation we are having right now. I'll say something and then you completely don't grasp the implications of what I just said. There's a reason why blacks create s---hole countries and cities and neighborhoods and schools. There's a reason why nonwhites are risking everything and doing everything to get into white countries on a massive scale. White geniuses make advances that are sustained by average whites. Blacks have demonstrated that they are incapable of sustaining even basic white standards. Look at what happens to the white colonies of Africa after the whites leave. You have nothing to base your arguments on except there are a lot of blacks who are being productive at jobs they got from whites after they rioted and burned the cities down in a massive symbolic strong armed robbery maneuver. That's your argument and it sucks.
Wally Wally: . I'll say something and then you completely don't grasp the implications of what I just said.
You make claims (e.g. – “Blacks have demonstrated that they are incapable of sustaining even basic white standards”.) for which there are glaring counter examples for refutation. It’s hard to take race realism seriously when you engage in constant hyperbolic propaganda.
george00: You keep wanting to take what blacks do when the blacks are sustained by whites. White people are employing blacks. It's a matter of frequency. The frequency of examples supporting your claims are much lower than the frequency of the examples supporting my claims. Blacks are parasites on whites. Whites would be much better off without blacks and blacks would be much worse off without whites.