Jake inevitably goes native, embraces the eco-faith of Pandora's Na'Vi inhabitants and their tree goddess, the "all mother," and rallies the Pandoran aborigines (not to mention the Pandoran ecosystem itself) against the evil forces of a thinly veiled 22nd century combine of Blackwater and Halliburton...
What would have been controversial is if -- somehow -- Cameron had made a movie in which the good guys accepted Jesus Christ into their hearts.
Of course, that sounds outlandish and absurd, but that's the point, isn't it? We live in an age in which it's the norm to speak glowingly of spirituality but derisively of traditional religion. If the Na'Vi were Roman Catholics, there would be boycotts and protests. Make the oversized Smurfs Rousseauian noble savages and everyone nods along, save for a few cranky right-wingers...
But what I find interesting about the film is how what is "pleasing to the most people" is so unapologetically religious.
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"What would have been controversial is if -- somehow -- Cameron had made a movie in which the good guys accepted Jesus Christ into their hearts."
Not controversial. Stupid, but not controversial.
The rest of your babble is just, well, strange.
Oh for fuck's sake!
It's a god damn movie, you moron!
It's just fiction like your favorite book is, you know the bible...
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Besides, who wants to watch a sucky religious bullshit movie anyway?
"If the Na'Vi were Roman Catholics, there would be boycotts and protests."
..........by who ? When "Last Temptation of Christ" came out, religious groups protested it. When "Dogma" came out, religious groups protested it. When "The Passion of the Christ" came out it was criticized by Jews, atheists and some Christians but only because of its focus on obscene violence and anti-Semitism, not because it was about Jesus. Get your facts straight, Mr. Goldberg.
Yes, suddenly makin' it aw bedder by accepting Jebus does sound outlandish and absurd - because it's never seemed to do any good for anyone before. Sure, there's a little lip service, but when profits are at stake, real change is rare indeed. I refer you to Archbishop Desmond Tutu, who frankly admitted that Christianizing Africa was just an excuse for a land grab.
A more realistic movie would have human invaders slaughtering the locals in the name of Jesus because they're "heathens," then declaring that God obviously ordained that his Christian followers would inherit the land.
Now that's a dilemna, really. What should the Na'vi trust and believe in ? The planet-wide superorganism which surrounds them, or some kind of fairy tale brought by the small, ugly, tailless, round-eared, pink-skinned, murderous alien invaders ?
Yeah that makes sense, All protagonist's should accept Jesus in they're hearts and they will win. John Mcclane didn't need to fight all those terrorists, He just needed to accept Jesus and all the terrorists would of lost, Or Frodo didn't need to go that whole way to Mount Doom to destroy the one ring, He just needed to accept Jesus into his heart and Jesus would of got Frodo to Mount Doom faster on his magic cloud, But I'm afraid Jonah that Morbo will tell you the truth. "Reality Doesn't work that way! Goodnight!!"
Cameron had made a movie in which the good guys accepted Jesus Christ into their hearts.
In which case Jesus would have been eight feet tall and blue?
If the Na'Vi were Roman Catholics...
I didn't know the RCC's or the Pope's influence extended to other planets.
Uh, Mr. Goldberg, that sounds outlandish because it sounds <b>boring, really <i>fucking</i> boring</b>.
And it's a bit silly to spend a few hundred million dollars on something that is, and I can't stress this enough, <b>really <i>fucking</i> boring</b>.
What would have been controversial is if -- somehow -- Cameron had made a movie in which the good guys accepted Jesus Christ into their hearts.
No, it would have made it a colossal flop.
Actually, I guess this statement makes sense coming from an asshole like Jonah Goldberg. This guy's claim to fame was that his mother advised Linda Tripp to record her conversations with Monica Lewinsky during the Clinton sex scandal. From that point he moved into a career as a "frog-bashing" pundit who authored the book "Liberal Fascism" which was derided by critics as "bizarro-history." He's a pseudointellectual ass and nothing more.
"But what I find interesting about the film is how what is "pleasing to the most people" is so unapologetically religious."
In that it heavily featured an in-movie mythology, yes. But not religious in that it featured a religion we know on earth.
Religious movies are a niche market in most cases. Action/adventure movies are not. It's pretty simple when you consider that to answer your question.
Is it even religion when any of them can interact with the planet they worship at any time? When direct and unquestionable results come from their rituals and prayers? This isn't a faith that they have, its a worship yes, but faith is not involved when there is an abundance of proof to any of the na'vi with their ponytail penis USB cables.
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"Reality Doesn't work that way! Goodnight!!"
Hell, fantasy doesn't work that way. Could you imagine if every story ever told ended with "and then the protagonist accepted Jesus Christ as their lord and saviour and everything was magically made all right".
I'd never read another book, or see another movie again.
"If the Na'Vi were Roman Catholics, there would be boycotts and protests."
No, there wouldn't. Only peals of laughter at the notion that aliens who've never had contact with Earth would have an Earth religion. It'd be dumber than that Star Trek episode where the savage aliens had American flags and the Pledge of Allegiance.
Jesus, Goldberg, get a fucking grip. It's just a fucking movie, not a profound spiritual statement. And I'm not going to watch it, so I don't care if they worship a tree or send their kids to Jesus Camp.
add: And you're Jewish. What's up with you kissing RCC ass, anyway?
Except Ey'wa has something your god doesn't.
Evidence. Presence. In the context of the film, the Na'vi can SEE Ey'wa. They can TALK to Ey'wa. They can RECEIVE THINGS DIRECTLY FROM Ey'wa. Granted, Ey'wa seems to have simply been a planetwide collective consciousness, but the point stands that they personified something that could be SEEN.
Traditional religion is fully deserving of derision.
What would have been controversial is if -- somehow -- Cameron had made a movie in which the good guys accepted Jesus Christ into their hearts.
Nope, not controversial, just shit.
How in the flying fuck would these blue aliens have even heard of Jesus?
Even if Jake told them about him, he doesn't really have any evidence, and there's no Bibles printed in Na'Vi-text language (if they even have one).
Besides, to quote some other fundies, "Jesus died for Man, not some fucking aliens."
"What would have been controversial is if -- somehow -- Cameron had made a movie in which the good guys accepted Jesus Christ into their hearts."
How can anyone accept a fictional character into their blood pump? Are you mental?
we have G, PG, R and X. Movies need a new rating to keep fundies out.
FU for fundie unacceptable?
What would have been controversial is if -- somehow -- Cameron had made a movie in which the good guys accepted Jesus Christ into their hearts.
Yeah, portraying Christianity as good is ~SO CONTROVERSIAL~. No one ever associates Christianity with goodness; that's why Christian candidates for the Presidency never get any votes, and our money says "All hail the Earth mother" instead of "In God We Trust."
Dude, the reason it's been compared to Fern Gully, Pocahontas, and Dances With Wolves is it's just the idea of the noble savage. The simpler life is attractive to most people. You're just reading too much. It wasn't about religion vs. spirituality, it was about exploitation vs. cultivation.
@N -- nicely done.
"What would have been controversial is if -- somehow -- Cameron had made a movie in which the good guys accepted Jesus Christ into their hearts."
This is exactly why movies like that are NOT made... it's because nobody wants to watch that. Movies are about entertainment and watching two hours worth of a platoon of soldiers groveling to Jesus is not exactly what I would call fun.
However, you and your christian buddies are more than welcome to make a movie like that yourselves. Nothing is stopping you really. And if you think that you need all this technology that Camoeron employed then just think about films like the Blair Witch Project or the recent Paranormal Activity, both of which were box-office hits and which were made on less than $10,000.
No, Eywa worship isn't a religion.
It's simply stating a fact. After all, they can TALK to her.
Or it could be, you know, a fictional story inspired by historical events?
Look up early anthropologists; after spending so much time getting to know natives, quite a few of them fought against colonization.
As for me, I found it kind of nice to see something that's fairly similar to my own beliefs portrayed in a positive light for a while instead of having it treated as "just a phase" or a bunch of "fairytales" that only loonatics and idiots could possibly believe in.
It's a movie.
Also, the existence of sentient alien life on other worlds pretty much puts the boots to your fairy tale, so it wouldn't do as a plot device.
Look at it as a parallel for the European rape of North and South America and Africa.
"What would have been controversial is if -- somehow -- Cameron had made a movie in which the good guys accepted Jesus Christ into their hearts."
More like Cameron made a movie in which the good guys teamed up with Jesus Christ to fight EVUL CORPORATIONS
What the hell is wrong with being spiritual? I mean, seriously. Please tell me, because I don't see it. Being spiritual is fine--when you try to put your rules and organization to it is when it goes to shit.
Also--there is absolutely no reason why the Na'avi would have any predilection towards believing in a deity that had nothing to do with their planet
Newsflash--spiritual does NOT equal religious.
I mean, it's not the greatest movie in the history of the world or anything. But you don't have to bring religion into it. I think Cameron brought enough issues into the film already.
Make the oversized Smurfs Rousseauian noble savages and everyone nods along, save for a few cranky right-wingers...
...and for most of the Left, and people bugged by the "what these people need is a honky" dances-with-aliens (only worse!) crap. And anyone who's read a decent SF novel over the past 40 or 50 years and knows that Cameron is talking out of his ass when he goes on about how "original" his tired pile of warmed-over Joseph Campbellian garbage is.
Try "From Dusk Till Dawn" or "Signs".
Hero has a crisis of faith, is faces with the alien or supernatural and returns with renewed faith in Jesus to save the day.
"Jake inevitably goes native, embraces the eco-faith of Pandora's Na'Vi inhabitants and their tree goddess, the "all mother," and rallies the Pandoran aborigines (not to mention the Pandoran ecosystem itself) against the evil forces of a thinly veiled 22nd century combine of Blackwater and Halliburton..."
Hitting a little too close to home, Jonah? The storyline of James Cameron's latest mega-blockbuster touching a nerve, much?
Remember the American Indians? The Vietnamese? The Iraqis? Truth (or in this case, Sci-Fi) hurts, doesn't it bitch?
So every movie ever should be about Jesus? Any idea how fast that would get boring.
And not that I should even have to mention this, but Avatar is FICTION.
Considering it's a tale of greedy, unprincipalled, industrialised, land-grabbing outsiders trying to swindle, bully and finally exterminate the local native population to gain control of their lands and mineral resources; it would make more sense for the bad guys to embrace Jesus, and then use him as an excuse for 'civilising' the savages.
That at least has historical precedence.
Well yeah! Spirituality is the way to go! Religion slowly but surely saps life, emotion and sincerity from your practices-until you basically become this flesh and blood automaton...but that's what you want, isn't it, Jonah?! By the way, how was your stay in the whale?
You do realize that your rustling your own jimmies over a completely fictional movie, right? And as others have said, not everyone obsesses over god like a creepy stalker like you.
Also, Avatar sucked, and the ending was horrible.
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