Why don't we see FTMs with AGP?
I don't see as many women fetishizing how much they want to have a big fat cock compared to males with AAP.
I'd say they don't exist, I think the ones trying to become yaoi characters just don't like the idea of dating a straight man because of how they treat women, so they escape through a fantasy where all gay men are cute harmless boys. Some of those get grindr then complain, in their own spaces, that gay men won't have sex with them. They tend to stay in their communities because they aren't predatory and living out a fetish like men.
The devils best trick was convincing people he didn’t exist.
Men and women are physically and biologically different, so there's no reason to expect that the underlying root causes for conditions like these or how the conditions operate are anything alike.
FTMs are also a lot less common than MTFs, I think the ratio is something like 1:3.
There do seem to be paraphilic reasons for transition, tho- in addition to fujoshis / fetishizing gay men, there are places like the subreddit FTMsPunished (don't go there), show paraphilic motivation.
Same reason you don't see female transvestites, pedophile rings, etc. - paraphilias are very rare in women, some hypothesize that they do not exist in women at all.
Judging by r/detrans they also detransition and experience more regret.
(For clarity, I’m female + lesbian) i think its due to porn, and i dont really like it, but i have had a gender shift fantasy for years. For a while the only way i could reliably get excited/get off was thinking of myself...not becoming male, but having the male experience i was watching (principally receiving oral)—but only ever with a ridiculously large dick. That in itself would turn me on.
this did make me wonder if i was trans, on top of some other things from growing up.
thankfully though i get that it’s...well, it’s just a fetish.
Edit: I’ll also add that yeah, this seems pretty rare. Ive asked about it and some amount of gay women also project themselves onto the male in straight porn, but i think it was/is deeper for me. Otherwise it very very rarely has come up even through looking. This is actually how i came to learn about AGP kind of organically, rather than through trans discourse. There were AGP forums so i started looking for AAP stuff. Not much out there, iirc.
“MtF people who transition because of intractable dysphoria but don't invade women's spaces or publicly engage in fetishistic behavior”
Where are they?
“Second, if we can't extend compassion to AGP males, then we drive them straight into the arms of the TRA”
When we aren't looking, they admit they're terrified of liberal women turning on them.
“(Yeah, I get that for any A*P person, transitioning is in some way publicly engaging in fetishistic behavior full-time, but let's acknowledge that there's a difference—in degree if not of kind—between the MtF person who dresses like a normal adult woman and doesn't bother anyone and the MtF person who dresses like a loli streetwalker and bothers incredibly uncomfortable shop attendants for help with bra fittings.)”
What about their wives?
"It's a matter of degrees" meh...
It's just a way to divide women in good & accepting vs bad. What if I don't want this normalized?
This attitude will drive more agps to transition, & not as a last resort. After all, they can rely on the good, welcoming women to tell the hysterical witches to calm down.
good luck expecting a man who has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to transition to not become entitled. After all, if a dysphoric agp shows up in the women's bathroom, the good, accomodating women will tell the others it's better not to make a fuss. Remember, we went from "it's just a poor soul with gender dysphoria" to 9yo on puberty blockers in a nanosecond.
Considering how profitable transitioning is and how accomodating women are - and how diligent they are at disciplining unruly women - what is the incentive for the medical profs to research a treatment for AGP besides transition? There isn't.
“do you really expect AGP males to care about anything we say”
They don't care about anything we say already.
I respect your moderate, compassionate tone, and practical attitude. It's possible that there is a minority who don't get a kick out of insulting and overly-sexualised porn-fuelled misconceptions about women, but from what I've seen they are a minority. The majority of them are freakish and pornsick, and lack humanity because they cannot see how insulting and harmful everything about their movement is to women.
I am not going to respect ANY of them until they start treating women with respect and advocating for us. Which they have never done and never will do.