I don't have the facts to back this up, but I happen to believe that these [Occupy Wall Street] demonstrations are planned and orchestrated to distract from the failed policies of the Obama Administration. Don't blame Wall Street, don't blame the big banks, if you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself. It is not someone's fault if they succeeded, it is someone's fault if they failed.
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Facts who needs them just make wild claims and blame people. It's not like a whole bunch of people got screwed over by other people just recently. Yep no one is to blame but the poor poor people right? Not those people who screwed up the economy by being greedy and not caring about the consequences, nope just that poor person who lost their job when the bank foreclosed on them after one late payment (to get some money back since they were being threatened about loans they had taken) due to a bunch of other people no longer having any cash to spare after they all got fired.
Just remember wild accusations and no facts and a whole lot of blame, it will keep you happy at night.
I don't have the facts to back this up, but
Standard platform of GOP candidates.
How awesome would it be for this meatwhistle to actually win the GOP nomination? Imagine the conservatives trying to decide which "negro" to vote for.
So, are you saying that as a presidential candidate you think Occupy Wall Street is an orchestration? Way to ignore the right of the people to demonstrate in a democracy against piddling, hoarding, elite rich people who drink champagne in the face of the poverty stricken shrinking middle class. It must be nice to live in that Godfather's Pizza glass ball, accepting donations from the extremely wealthy so that you suck their dick in office just like every other jack off Repub.
Et tu, Herman?
This has gone too far. It's the same old tired bullshit that the Tea Partyers said about Bin Laden's death and the President's birth certificate.
But now it's reached the top. Brrr. Hold me, I'm scared.
"I don't have the facts to back this up"
No shit. That's not an excuse to make horseshit claims about retarded conspiracies.
"It is not someone's fault if they succeeded, it is someone's fault if they failed."
The fuck is this? Good luck trying to sell that to an increasingly Populist America that's tired of the Rich getting steadily richer and the middle class being poorer. Did you think we wouldn't notice?
The REAL conspiracy at work here is the Rich and corporations buying politicians and legislation that allows them to hoard their increasingly vast wealth and not share it with the rest of us. That's about to change.
At no point in history have the lower classes contributed more money to politics, mostly through donations on the Internet. The amount of money donated by the middle class over the Web has risen exponentially in just the past few years. Eventually, they are going to unseat the Rich's only advantage: their commanding share of campaign contributions. That and our superior numbers seem to indicate some changes in the near future.
Oh, really? So the Randian Objectivist approach to corporate spending and regulation did not cause this economic crisis, is that what you're saying? Well, to paraphrase a hero of the American Right:
YOU LIE!
"I don't have the facts to back this up "
All that needs to be said about this drivel.
lol, just lol. They're not even trying anymore.
The protests started out with good intentions, like ending the fed and stopping corporate intervention in politics, but it quickly was hijacked by the same old groups that have been around for years like the AFL-CIO, MoveOn.org, Arianna Huffington, etc., who HAVE indeed turned it into an Obama re-election rally instead of any kind of meaningful protest. Not to mention, a lot of kids who don't know anything about the issues and jist wanted to be cool flooded in (along with some Mexicans hired to carry signs) and turned something that could have actually been revolutionary into something incredibly stupid and embarassing.
And I know it's hard for everyone to admit, but communism really doesn't work. I know, I know, it'd be great if did, but it doesn't and we've had to learn that lesson over and over. So quit being so naive and blaming others' success for your failure (which probably would be considered incredible success in most parts of the world).
"if you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself"
Buzz. Wrong. The world does not work that way.
Also, please elaborate on at least one of these "failed policies".
"I don't have the facts to back this up..."
That much is certain.
"...if you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself."
If I HAVE a job, but I'm still not rich, may I blame you?
@meatwad
No shit, Sherlock. Communism doesn't work. Nor does any hyperauthoritarian regime. This is not "hard to admit" because NO ONE IS ADVOCATING A BOLSHEVIK REVOLUTION IN THE FIRST PLACE. These people aren't commies, they're liberals. And some radicals.
There's a massive difference between being socially authoritarian like commies and Nazis and being socially libertarian like these protesters.
And we have yet to see any connection between Obama and these people other than the fact that they're both liberal.
And as for blaming people, well, they ARE to blame for this shitty economy, even moreso than the middle class.
@J. James
No-one's ever tried to implement communism in the real world. At least, not for long. Stalinism is not communism. Same goes for Leninism.
As for China and other supposedly "communist" countries, if they call themselves communist, it's because they want to distance themselves, (in terms of image, anyway) from "decadent capitalist societies" like the U.S. Simply put, they think it makes them look good. However, if you look at their economic systems, they're pretty much just state capitalism with a commie name tag.
You gotta examine how people act, not what labels they append to themselves. That goes doubly for politicians.
@J. James
Correction: people think Obama is liberal. But anyone who opposes same-sex marriage, said Wall Street CEOs deserved their bonuses, kept Guantanamo Bay open, sent thousands more soldiers to Afghanistan, conducted drone strikes on Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and Libya, and authorized the assassination of American citizens should not, in any sense, be called a liberal.
I don't have the facts to back this up, but I happen to believe that Herman Cain is not a Republican, but is actually a deep cover KGB agent still fighting the Cold War in the sincere belief that now is the time for a surprise strike, decades after everyone else gave up.
I don't have the facts to back this up, but I happen to believe that I am wearing a loaf of bread as a hat, and used my shoes to butter my toast.
I don't have the facts to back this up, but I happen to believe that you do not exist, and that you cannot have read this comment.
I don't have the facts to back this up, but I happen to believe that the entire midwest of the United States is actually the lost Atlantis, with mass hypnotism creating the illusion that it is not underwater.
I don't have the facts to back this up, but I happen to believe that it's fun to make stuff up and deflect criticism by claiming I don't have to because I have no facts to begin with.
@DevilsChaplain
Are you American? I am. In American politics, yes, he is considered liberal. A moderate liberal.
Compared to, say, a Swedish layperson, he's like distilled Texas, but compared to an average American Republican he's practically a Socialist. Similarly, the average Republican would think that the average Swede was a flaming Marxist.
The American method is indeed strange.
@RaisedbyHorses
I think that "true" Communism HAS been tried in the real world, in places like Scandinavia and France. It's voluntary collectivism instead of enforced authoritarianism. It's just not CALLED "Communism" because that label has come to mean it's authoritarian counterpart.
1. Herman Cain is a jackass, he needs do the world a favor and apply for a job at a Retail outlet, and when he gets passed over because about 20 other people are applying for that same opening, we can call him a failure.
"Are you American? I am. In American politics, yes, he is considered liberal. A moderate liberal."
Yes, yes I am an American. And just because he's not as right-wing as, say, Rick Perry doesn't mean he's a liberal. I want a REAL progressive in the White House. In fact, where's that socialist Black Nationalist Barack Obama that Rush Limbaugh kept warning us about? Can we elect THAT Barack Obama? :-P
@nickiknack
The "Real" perspective? Excuse me? Isn't that a bit presumtuous to say that somehow non-American politics is inherently more valid than our strange American political methods? They are different, end of story. You shouldn't compare apples to oranges.
The only thing that matters to United States politics is United States politics. What an American would be in relation to a Mexican or a German or a Korean is utterly irrelevant in this context. And in the American context, whether you think it's just wonderful or complete bullshit, yes, Obama is a moderate liberal. He uses Keynesian economics unashamedly, believes in science, oversaw the passage of the health care law, and did a whole host of other "liberal" things like abolishing "don't ask don't tell." The Right of this country don't believe in science, Keynesian economics, social welfare, tax revenue, equal rights or secular government. Whether or not Obama is right compared to other countries, he's a veritable font of Marxism compared to them.
@DevilsChaplain
A "Real" progressive? How do you judge what's real and what's Obama? Don't be ridiculous. Not to sound fatalistic, but until we actually DESERVE one, we won't get one. A "Real" progressive would be useless if he had no support from Comgress or the people. When the American people are ready, we'll elect one. But for now, I think Obama is doing a fine job of things.
Congress, on the other hand...
Cain, It's not about jealousy. What you people (GOP idiots, not a racist remark before you start) don't understand is that those that have been protesting have been screwed over by the banking system, and the whole financial system in general. It is a world wide problem specific to capitalism.
Don't blame the poor, the problem is solely the greedy bankers making poor investments with _OUR_ money.
Fuckwits the lot of them..
@ J. James:
Well, this will be the final test of whether the American people are ready. Either this conflict is resolved peacefully and I finally get my wish of America being like Western Europe, or the Tea Party and the Occupy Wall Street protesters start a second civil war and tear this country apart. Let's hope the first one happens. Either way, we are cursed to live in interesting times.
"A 'Real' progressive? How do you judge what's real and what's Obama?"
...by his actions versus what people on the political left advocate?
"Don't be ridiculous. Not to sound fatalistic, but until we actually DESERVE one, we won't get one."
"Deserving" has nothing to do with it. Having one run and actually voting for him/her does.
"A 'Real' progressive would be useless if he had no support from Comgress or the people."
Although the people elected him on a certain platform for one, and while his positions weren't ALL left wing, they weren't as far to the right as what he turned out to be. Furthermore I have plenty of blame for the Democratic congress that took over the reins in 2006, and it's fair to criticize "Blue Dog" Democrats who wanted nothing to do with real healthcare reform, but ultimately Obama is the President and deserves criticism for how he's been handling things.
"When the American people are ready, we'll elect one. But for now, I think Obama is doing a fine job of things."
Which is fair if you like him but I consider his first term to be the equivalent of a third term under George W. Bush--without as much homophobia.
The thousands of people who lost their jobs, their homes, pensions, and healthcare, have nobody to blame but themselves for being employed by corporations that dissolved and declared bankruptcy so that the CEOs and their best boys could cut and run with a profit.
I don't have the facts to back this up
Who needs facts when you can just make shit up.
but I happen to believe that these [Occupy Wall Street] demonstrations are planned and orchestrated to distract from the failed policies of the Obama Administration.
Of course... That must be it! I mean it's not as if the american people have ever gathered together to exercise their right to protest things they see as unjust or unacceptable, that could never happen. Therefore it must be orchastrated by whatever group/party/politician that you dislike/oppose/disagree with.
Don't blame Wall Street, don't blame the big banks
Excuse me? How are people not supposed to blame the very institutions that were responsible for wiping out a tremedous amout of wealth leading to and unprecadented rise in unemployment?
if you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself.
So no one has ever been laid off? No one as had their place of employment go out of business? No one has ever been unable to find employment? And then you have the nerve to tell these people who, through no fault of their own , have had hardship after hardship heaped upon them that it's all their fault?
@Brendan Rizzo
Shit, let's hope it doesn't come to the latter. Us northerners would hate to have to kick the South's ass- AGAIN- and rebuild it afterward, AGAIN. Once was enough!
P.S.- Or, most likely, door number Three: the Protesters garner some half-empty promises of reform and run out of steam.
Or, a very interesting possibility, they become a foil to the Tea Party.
@ J. James:
Thing is, we didn't rebuild the South properly the first time. You are aware of what we did to Germany and Japan following World War II, right? Within fifteen years, all traces of totalitarianism in those countries were completely gone, and (though it makes me physically sick to even type these words) they are much more liberal than the US today. Reconstruction should've been a "de-Dixification" process just as thorough as the denazification of the 1940s, but obviously that didn't happen because the former Confederacy is still romanticized in the South to this day. We had our chance and completely blew it, and we most likely will not get another one. I feel that it's uncomfortably likely that the third option you mentioned is gonna happen, just like it happened every single other time on this side of the Atlantic.
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