<+barabbas`> The Bible is true, whether you want to believe it or not. Even in libraries and book, where books are catagorized by scientific methods, the Bible is NOT in the fiction section. so your rant about the Bible is entertaining at best, thats about all the value it has.
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Well, that’s a strange argument for the literal truth of the bible if I ever heard one. In a well organized library the bible isn’t in the fiction section, true, but it’s usually in the section for religious texts… Next to the Koran etc. So… Are those literalistically true as well? You are shooting yourself in the foot here!
Aside from that, using man-made categorizations as an argument for the truth of a text is simply asinine, it could easily be that the ones who invented the categories for libraries were christian and thought that the bible deserved a special place because for them it’s ‘truth’. Arguing that the bible is true BECAUSE it is in a special place therefore would be circular reasoning.
The bible is not literally true. It simply can’t be. It was man-made, divinely inspired AT BEST. And it definitely isn’t a scientific book!
So, argument per perfect categorization by science?
So, then, evolution is true because science classifies mankind as a type of ape.
The Bibles are in the Religion section, along with all other religious texts and books about different religion. Are you saying all those other texts are true too?
Libraries don’t categorize by scientific methods, but by subject or content.
In Sweden it’s:
• A - Books and libraries
• B - General interest
• C - Religion
• D - Philosophy and psychology
• E - Parenting and education
• F - Philology and linguistics
• G - Literary science
• H - Fiction
• I - Art, music, theater, film, photography
• J - Archaeology
• K - History
• L - Biography with genealogy
• M - Ethnography, social anthropology, and ethnology
• N - Geography
• O - Social science and jurisprudence
• P - Technology, industry, and communication
• Q - Economics and business
• R - Sport, play, and games
• S - Military subjects
• T - Mathematics
• U - Natural science
• V - Medicine
• X - Musical works, such as sheet music, piano rolls
• Y - Music recordings
• Ä - Newspapers
Well…isn’t that interesting. Most fiction sections include a lot of historical novels, about people who did actually live, and are based, sometimes loosely, on the events of their lives. People whose lives can be confirmed by reputable historians and records, better than some Biblical characters can be. OTOH Bibles are usually classified beside all the other religious books.
So there you go…it doesn’t make the Bible all factual.
“Non-fiction” just means that the author is not marketing it as fiction. It does not mean that what is in there is true.
Scholars write to publish their hypotheses, which may turn out to be correct… or not. Encyclopedias, text books etc. that were accurate at the time become outdated as science marches on. Ancient historicians and naturalists usually included about every bit of yarn and legend they heard. Hell, even in contemporary writing, there are plenty of books on magic, pseudoscience, sensationalist biographies etc that are less grounded in reality and have less educational value than plenty of fiction books (not even just things like Hard SF or historical novels, but also, say, an Urban Fantasy author who took care to work in the atmosphere, history and legends of the place the story is set in), yet still technically count as non-Fiction, because the author said so - whether because they actually believe it to be true, because they are simply scam-artists or because they just don’t care if their claims are true, just the attention.
And I am with Swede: “Fiction” and “Non-Fiction” are so absurdly impractically broad categories (hell, “Fiction” is even more so than non-Fiction!) that I doubt any library would use such a system. If anything, I would put the Bible into a third category besides “Fiction” and “Non-Fiction”, for books preserved not for information or entertainment, but rather for historical value, along with things like the Gilgamesh Epos, Plato’s dialogues, the Communist Manifesto and the Systema Naturae.
Finally:
What is On the Origin of Species categorised as?
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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