Our fighting men and women do not "bear the sword in vain". Weistein and company are trying to deny the fact that this country was founded by bible-believing christians. Imperfect, occasionally wrong, etc., but born-again, washed in the blood, adopted sons of God most high, the Lord of hosts(armies), and were and are joint heirs with His only begotten Son Who is the way, the Truth and theLiife...Jesus Christ.
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The concept of "Bible-believing Christian" (read: scriptural literalist, usually neo-pentecostal evangelical fundamentalist) didn't exist at the time of the Revolutionary War. Even among the most dedicated Christians at the time (so, not including Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, etc., etc., etc.) there was a much stronger tradition of reading Christian texts as full of metaphors and parables than is currently in vogue in reactionary dominionist circles.
Sure. Bible-believing christians. Like George Washington, Thomas Paine, Ben Franklin, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison. Deists and non-christians every one.
Imperfect, occasionally wrong, etc., but born-again, washed in the blood, adopted sons of God most high, the Lord of hosts(armies), and were and are joint heirs with His only begotten Son Who is the way, the Truth and theLiife...Jesus Christ.
That's some powerful shit you are smoking, man. Can I buy some?
Your Founders were in no way born-again Christians. They were more likely deists (at least Thomas Jefferson was, since he held that Jesus was not supernatural). The Constitution they drafted makes it quite clear they did not wish to enshrine Christianity, especially Puritanical Christianity (their version of the fundamentalism) as the United States religion.
Pretty sure the "born again" shits about a 40-60 year old evangalist invention. It promises Christians they'll be even better if they give theirselves to Christ a second time
What's it given us? A bunch of self-righteous hypocrites who think they're better than other Christians even though up to thirty-eight or so they were outright bastards (still are, "born again' is a lame disquise
There luckily weren't too many early American Fundies, shitholes like Salem got dealt with by a secular system of laws
"Imperfect, occasionally wrong, etc.,but born-again, washed in the blood, adopted sons of God most high, the Lord of hosts(armies), and were and are joint heirs with His only begotten Son Who is the way, the Truth and theLiife...Jesus Christ."
This sentence really seems like it should be followed by a sig heil or some such. Getting that much rant in so small a space takes dedication.
@Canadaist.
I think they're wrong and you're right about the youth of the doctrine but that isn't what fundies mean by "born again". They hold it to mean a spiritual regeneration when you give intellectual ascent to their dogmas - or as they believe "give your life to Jesus" for the FIRST time (not that he would have agreed with them or even understood their crap!). It's 'again' cos it's spiritual birth after your physical birth as a baby.
Don't agree with them, but it's good to show we know what we're disagreeing with - otherwise we're just fundies.... ;-)
"This country was founded by bible-believing christians"
Oh god, please look up quotes on christianity by the founding fathers. They weren't fans.
@Antichrist and Canadiest:
"Born again" simply means that one accepts Christ and is baptised when one is old enough to conciously understand what one is doing, as opposed to being unbaptised (or in some churches, baptised as an infant). It's taken from the bibilcal passage that one must be born "of the water and of the spirit". "Of the water" referring to one's physical birth, and "of the spirit" referring to one's spiritual birth when one accepts Christ--making that spiritual birth the second birth, to be "born again".
Although the phrase wasn't in use centuries ago, anyone who made a choice to be baptised as a Christian
this country was founded by bible-believing christians.
Except, of course, it wasn't. Liar.
I still stand by the "born again" being a 'better than thou' stance by Baptists and Evangalists. People who were cleansed of their as young members of the church and being recleaned later.
I've heard several televangelists say straight out "you must be reborn in the name of Jesus Christ". Apparently there's an obscure expiry date on being saved the first time, a learners permit maybe
I was thinking 'blah blah blah' until I got to the end of the quote, upon which I had the most disturbing certainty -- a revelation, if you will -- that Wade G Brady had just... reached his peak. So to speak.
Now I must scrub my brain with bleach (preferable to blood, but whaddoIknow).
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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