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Natural selection ...

1. green and brown beetles of the same kind
2. birds can see and find the green ones to eat
3. the green numbers drop and the browns increase due to mating
4. after awhile no green beetles only brown which the birds can't see to eat

So - now you have God creating something specifically to destroy it. Is that congruent with 'God is Life'? Nope.

Animals eat animals because of sin ... so you have NO evolution/natural selection without sin. Where did sin come from? Oh, the canned answer is evolutionary theory doesn't deal with religious topics ... but then wait - if no sin, no evolution ... oh, but notice there's NO sin in the creation account in Genesis - sin comes in AFTER. So you go and collect a fossil record AFTER and conclude evolution - which the account of the beetles is true and observable; but it does not explain any step BEFORE step 1. Step 0 is sin, step -1 is God creates by His words. Genesis isn't wrong and precludes the idea of creation by evolution.

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old comment by Pikachukid

1. green and brown beetles of the same kind

And?

2. birds can see and find the green ones to eat

You are assuming other creatures can't find the brown ones.

3. the green numbers drop and the browns increase due to mating

The green ones don't mate?

4. after awhile no green beetles only brown which the birds can't see to eat

THIS MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE!

So - now you have God creating something specifically to destroy it. Is that congruent with 'God is Life'? Nope. [/b[

You have to assume God created it first.

Animals eat animals because of sin

You assume that animals have a concept of sin. Or that, y'know, God seemed to favour the humans.

... so you have NO evolution/natural selection without sin. Where did sin come from?

What.

Oh, the canned answer is evolutionary theory doesn't deal with religious topics ...

Which it doesn't, being a science and all.

but then wait - if no sin, no evolution ... oh, but notice there's NO sin in the creation account in Genesis - sin comes in AFTER.

Because God didn't already have such a concept in His almighty cranium?

You demonstrate a total lack of understanding of evolution. Go back to Elementary School Science class.

old comment by Skyknight

@Pikachukid, Papabear, JGC, etc.: Actually, the common fundamentalist view is that the only reason death exists is because Adam and Eve's disobedience instantly suffused creation with spiritually-acidic Sin--"the wages of sin is death" et al. Before then, NOTHING ate anything except plants (or at least, only the plants' fruits and spare leaves). q.v. the bit about the lion eating straw. In this case, it's more like the lion eating straw once again, as it was meant to from the onset.

Admittedly, there's the question of WHY God would let Death conduct to anything besides humans. I suppose the logic would claim that physical creation was designed SPECIFICALLY for humanity, and was meant to reflect both humanity's and God's nature. So when humanity became death-prone...

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@Pikachukid

THIS MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE

Actually, that is more-or-less the basics of evolution. Certain traits in certain environments increase chances of survival and/or reproduction, while other traits in other environments decrease those chances. Those with the more useful traits obviously are more likely to reproduce, and reproduce more, passing those traits on to their children, while carriers of traits that keep them from mating, or from living long enough to mate, propagate less and slowly die out.

Her major error is saying that her personal belief in a deity disproves a scientific fact. Simply assuming that what her Bible says is clear, self-evident fact whose veracity has no more need to be proven than air, and, as such, that assertions found in it are enough to completely debunk a scientifically-proven fact. She's begging the question, basically, because her entire argument against evolution hinges on the Bible (or at least her interpretation of it) being right.

Let's try to criticize them for the things they actually get wrong, else we're not much better than they are.

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