"Since evolutionists say the early atmosphere contained no oxygen where do they claim the millions of years of rain came from since oxygen is half of the combination of water". Good question. Ask 'em that. Yeah, good question. They had to have oxygen to make this water.
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I'll just tell you what I heard on biology class, 8 years ago. We were talking about abiogenesis (not evolution!) and the first "plants", more sort of cells. It goes like this: there were this "blobs" of aminoacids, proto-cells if you like. They were absorbing each other, and dividing when they would got big enough. After numerous cycles of that, a change. One of those "cells" started to produce extremelly reactive and poisonous substance as a biproduct of it's processes, killing billions of competitors. Only those single-cell organisms that adapted to either produce or use this byproduct for their own processes, survived. Guess what? The reactive substance was oxigen.
As a chemist this is, I think, one of the more confusing things about oxygen. We refer to the gaseous diatomic molecule in the atmosphere, O2, as "oxygen"; however, we also refer to the element by the same name. (This also applies to Nitrogen but no one is arguing over that today).
The problem is, if Kent *really* was a science teacher he should have known that. But if you have kids who've never been taught science by their science hating parents. The kids won't know how they are being lied to.
Actually it's easy to explain to someone who doesn't think the Earth's only 6000 years old.
The very early earth was a fiery ball absorbing the many other chunks in it's orbit when it was young. As time went by and the orbit became cleaner the larger Earth cooled and the atmosphere formed.
It's easy when you deal with reality to understand some things
Oxygen can be found in any number of compounds. It's littarly one of the most common elements of the universe (In the top 10). It is also a highly reactive element dettermind to bond to other elements.
To say there was no 02 Is beyond stupid. Even for a fundie.
His insane 'Creationism' theme park has closed, he's been exposed as a charlatan, and is currently doing time for tax fraud (how's yer arsehole holding up, Kent? Enjoy all that free buttsecks!). And now he thinks (once he gets out of jail) he'll get a job as a meteorologist, or a chemistry teacher?!
Point & laugh, people, point & laugh.
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Since evolutionists say the early atmosphere contained no oxygen...
For f***'s sake, the answer is in the question!
1. Oxygen is not a half of water but 1/3 (if you count the number of atoms)
*sigh*
Kent, are you REALLY that stupid, or are you just saying that stupid shit because stupid people will believe it and send you money?
Either way you are a pathetic lying asshole, the question is whether you are a stupid pathetic lying asshole or not.
There was no (or very little) free oxygen gas in the atomosphere, there was plenty of oxygen bound up in water molecules, but celluar respiration cannot run off oxygen bound up in water or other compounds. Photosynthesis had to evolve first, to turn some of the carbon dioxide in the atomosphere into free oxygen gas.
Oxygen is the most common element in the Earth's crust. Some quick research would show you it's more common than silicon, aluminum, iron, magnesium, calcium or potassium.
You're a fucktard, aren't you Kent?
Anyway, newsflash for Hovind... Some of Saturns moons... Like Dione, no atmosphere at all, oxygen or other wise, yet largely composed of water ice. Because you know... Absence of oxygen in its O2 (and O3) forms doesn't mean absence of oxygen in its H2O form.
Its like, right there, in the solar system, observed and everything.
Or rain without oxygen, that too... Again back to Saturn's moon's... Titan, it rains liquid hydrocarbons and methane there. Which is not water. Yet it is rain. (Titan also resembles closely what earth was like at the time.)
So Kent, you fail Science again.
Not good enough, F--!
As plenty of others have said, the early earth had no diatomic, molecular oxygen . This is not to say that there was no oxygen at all. The early atmosphere consisted mainly of carbon dioxide, water vapour, and nitrogen. Oxygen was present, but not in its pure form.
Also, oxygen was toxic to most early life. It was only after oxygen became more abundant in the atmosphere, that organisms began to emerge that could use oxygen.
I'm still laughing at the suggestion that oxygen makes up half of water. There's just no possible sense in which this is true. In terms of the molecular formula it's a third, and in terms of mass it's slightly under 90%, and oh fuck my brain's on fire.
Yeah, because we all know that Earth is the only source of oxygen and water.
And technically, it's only a third.
But why would you need to have free oxygen in the atmosphere in order to make water? If the only way to make water was with hydrogen, oxygen, and a spark, this might be true. At any rate, it's thought that, in addition to some out-gassing of water vapor, a lot of Earth's water came from space (comets, etc). This would have been already-formed H2 O that condensed as rain, no oxygen atmosphere required. Most of Earth's water (if not all of it) was already here by the time the Great Oxygenation took place and filled up our atmosphere with O2 .
Oxygen Catastrophe Geological History of Oxygen This also looked relevant.Origin of Earth's Water Even more relevant.
1. There were bacteria that live on rocks, eating it and shitting out O2 many many MANY years ago. Millions of years later, their shit is most of earth's atmosphere.
2. One of Saturn's moons, Titan, has an atmosphere, but not O2. That doesn't mean it can't rain. On Titan, it rains methane.
@ Anon-e-moose HE WANTS TO BE A METEOROLOGIST?!
Okay, quiz time: What is the most common element in the universe?
Answer: Hydrogen, or "H." Hydrogen atoms tend to bond together to form H(2)
Okay, second question, what is the third most common element in the universe (after helium)?
Answer: Oxygen (Note that "O" would also be an acceptable answer.
Now, helium does not form compounds, but what do you suppose you get when The most common element, H(2) bonds with one of the relatively plentiful atoms of O that are out there?
Think real hard now Kent.
Confused?
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