[On phone surveillance]
If it only targets non-US persons then i don't see what the problem is.
All those on this planet that love freedom & treasure democracy understand in their hearts that a firm, strong US boot needs to be kept on the necks of all those baying, foreign barbarians who, driven in a fit of envy, would not stop until lady liberty herself lies in ruins at the bottom of the Hudson .
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I sense sweat, a crew cut, hypertension, a bible and a collection of StFeven Seagal movies at work here.
That's not "freedom and democracy". That's terrorism with a bigger budget.
I really don't get the people who are standing up for the NSA's dragnet, as if it needed their protection. Won't someone please think of the poor, persecuted, surreptitious, legally questionable multibillion dollar espionage operations wing of the U.S. government?
The trouble is that the NSA is listening to ALL telephone and online communications, thanks to the God of fucking things up, George W. Bush and his so-called PATRIOT act. Because nothing instills patriotism like having the government spy on every single man, woman, and child in the country. Just like in the book 1984 and what we used to accuse the Russians of doing to its citizens during the cold war.
@ ray10k and Doubting Thomas
They did no such thing. They have been collecting phone call LOGS. That is, the listings of what numbers were called, and when, like one sees on a phone bill. That is not the same thing as listening to calls.
"All those on this planet that love freedom & treasure democracy understand in their hearts that a firm, strong US boot needs to be kept on the necks of all those baying, foreign barbarians who, driven in a fit of envy, would not stop until lady liberty herself lies in ruins at the bottom of the Hudson"
Why do the NSA rely on our GCHQ so much, then?
GCHQ is the modern-day equivalent of Bletchley Park. Even Gen. Eisenhower & co. relied upon the decryptions of Nazi Enigma transmissions supplied him by Winston Churchill, via Turing's 'Bombes' & later the first digital computer Colossus.
Bletchley Park ensured the War in Europe part of WWII was shortened by at least three years, and 600,000+ US troops went home alive ('Lease Lend'? Debt PAID ).
You're welcome, USA.
"they basically admitted to be listening in on all phone communication"
@Anon-e-Moose
"Bletchley Park ensured the War in Europe part of WWII was shortened by at least three years, and 600,000+ US troops went home alive ('Lease Lend'? Debt PAID)."
Don't think so. Another year or so and the Russians would have won without the allied invasion.
BTW I'm British and I appreciate the work Bletchley Park did. But lets not overdo it.
@ #1552764
Oh, the capability definitely exits. I say this as someone who has a long history in the telecommunications industry.
@ dp
Unfortunately, this one is probably not a poe. Just look at the comments in any story on the NSA leak and you'll find people defending the snooping because "it protects us from them dirty terrerists!"
...that a firm, strong US boot needs to be kept on the necks of all those baying, foreign barbarians...
Yeah, that worked so well on 9/11 - no, not that 9/11, the worst one!
This sounds almost identical to what the citizens of Columbia believe in Bioshock Infinite.
That's not a good thing, those people were fucking nuts.
Ah, the rabid US patriotism. On a British site, hilariously enough. Don't you know that watching the BBC is treason, Benedict Arnold?
So, if we love freedom and treasure democracy, we have to forfeit said freedom and democracy in order to protect them? That doesn't make sense.
I heard on the news this morning some military guy respond to a judge asking if they were listening in on phone calls "No, we do not, I don't know any way that that can be made". You could definitely hear the emphasis on the "I don't know", as in "other people do know how that is done, though".
@Frank
Russia had the numbers ; troops, T-34s etc against the Wehrmacht on the Eastern Front, sure, but we had the info .
'Know your enemy and know yourself, and you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles'
-Sun Tzu, "The Art of War"
So many more - especially on Utah & Omaha beaches - would have been killed on D-Day, and after.
"All those on this planet that love freedom & treasure democracy understand in their hearts that a firm, strong US boot needs to be kept on the necks of all those baying, foreign barbarians who, driven in a fit of envy, would not stop until lady liberty herself lies in ruins at the bottom of the Hudson ."
You mean all the baying foreign barbarians who moved to the US because they love freedom and treasure democracy? Those barbarians?
Honestly, do some of these people read what they wrote before hitting Send?
@werewolf
"The US boot would have been made in China by foreign barbarians, I imagine. And sold by lady liberty at Walmart."
The fundies' precious 'Anyone but Obama' candidate Mitt '47%' Romney was all for outsourcing to China.
Their F-22-esque J-20. I wonder where they got the stealth material from? How many components in the US DoD's computers say 'Made in USA' on them...?
Can you say 'Cyberwarfare', right-wing fundies in the US? I know you can. Yet, you want 'Creationism' taught in your schools & colleges. China doesn't . Two words: Educational inferiority .
As per Bletchley Park in WWII, so is GCHQ. Information is the new battleground in the 21st Century.
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