kai_decadence #transphobia

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Men don't become women, women don't become men. A man can wear all the makeup he can afford, grow his hair out as long as he wants, wear nail polish, wear dresses & skirts, wear heels, and ingest Horse Urine and in extreme cases, have his penis surgically inverted but it doesn't make him a woman and he'll never be a woman. The saying "There are no girls with dicks, just men with tits" is pretty much the accurate saying for this. And i know what I said may sound harsh but that's just biological reality and it doesn't care about feelings, it cares about biological fact.

So sorry dude, if you're dating or have sex with a "MTF", you're still in a gay relationship or engaging in gay sex.

Thats the Ben Shapiro argument right there, its sound and valid. Realizing now how it boils down to how you define your words. Is gender a social construct (man/woman at your discretion) or a biological coding irreversible (permanently man/ woman)
I was never to keen on labels since it creates discourse; however to properly self identity, I'll say transexual or heterosexual or sometimes gay. If anything I hate the word pansexual, that is a lazy one.

Believe me there is a lot more to it than just that, I have real legitimate reasons why I do not believe in the trans ideology, it's just that i didn't want to overload with it on the question because it would be a wall of text. If you really want to know why I personally think transgenderism is a lie, just let me know and I will go more in depth because it's most likely not for the reasons you think.

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Transgender people are real, as well as being good people to swap makeup tips with. As for why you personally think what you do, it's nunyas for you, so NGAF what your reasons are!

k_d: “MTF involves DAMAGING SOMETHING SACRED! A penis!!! That’s why FTM isn’t anything I bother with!”

What really matters is how the couple experiences their relationship. If a cis man and a trans woman both experience their relationship as straight, then it doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks, the experience of “straightness” is little or no different than if they were both cis. That’s all that *should* matter to them, even if the larger society makes it difficult sometimes. I mean, the vast majority of straight people don’t experience masturbation as gay, no matter how much you argue that they’re having sex with someone of the same gender, and despite the dumb jokes about it that matters a great deal.

Or, if, for example, the cis man does experience it as being gay (and I suspect that this would be very unusual), what matters is whether they can both be okay with that. Their relationship, no one else’s.

I suspect that bigoted jackasses like these *would* experience it as a gay relationship regardless just because penis, and would never do it because they’re not gay. On one hand, that’s mostly fine, you can’t fully control how you experience things and no one should be doing something *that* incompatible with their needs and preferences. On the other hand, they’re using their needs and preferences as an excuse for their bigoted jackassery, which is not at all fine. So, what matters is that they don’t be a jackass, or at least keep their mouths shut.

I have real legitimate reasons why I do not believe in the trans ideology, it's just that i didn't want to overload with it on the question because it would be a wall of text

Why not?

I'm sure you have something to tell us, you who has as a username 'decadence'...! [/Freud]

“ I have real legitimate reasons why I do not believe in the trans ideology”

No but you have personal issues and bigotries that make you delegitimize people in whose shoes you’ll never be and can not even begin to understand us innately but obviously, you know better…

Men don't become women, women don't become men.

True. I've been a woman my entire adult life. Before that I was a girl. That people, including myself, thought I was a boy was simply an error.

A man can wear all the makeup he can afford, grow his hair out as long as he wants, wear nail polish, wear dresses & skirts, wear heels, and ingest Horse Urine and in extreme cases, have his penis surgically inverted but it doesn't make him a woman and he'll never be a woman.

It is true, a man who does all those things is still a man. But the people who do these things are women. I have long hair and I wear dresses and skirts because I like to. I plan to change my body by taking estrogen and blocking the effects of testosterone. And eventually, yes, I'm going to have my penis surgically turned into a vagina and clitoris. But none of that will make me a woman, because I already *am* a woman. Also, do they still even use horse urine to get estrogen for these treatments anymore? I thought they did things differently now.

The saying "There are no girls with dicks, just men with tits" is pretty much the accurate saying for this. And i know what I said may sound harsh but that's just biological reality and it doesn't care about feelings, it cares about biological fact.

That's not biological reality. Biological reality is messy, and doesn't sort things into neat little boxes that are easy for humans to categorize. It is an undeniable biological reality that some people are born in between female and male. I think the sense of my gender hardwired inti my brain is a better way to determine whether I am a woman or a man. But hey, even if my penis means I can't ever be a true woman, my female brain means I can't ever be a true man. I feel like a woman though, and when I'm finished changing my body to match my brain I think you'd be the crazy one to keep insisting I'm not truly a woman.

So sorry dude, if you're dating or have sex with a "MTF", you're still in a gay relationship or engaging in gay sex.

LOL. We love who we love. If a man who is generally attracted to women loves a trans woman, is he gay? I think not. But who cares? Attaching the label "gay" to that relationship doesn't devalue it or delegitimize it. It only matters if you're a homophobic jerk who had invested way too much into your identity as straight anyway.

Believe me there is a lot more to it than just that, I have real legitimate reasons why I do not believe in the trans ideology

There is no trans ideology.

If you really want to know why I personally think transgenderism is a lie, just let me know and I will go more in depth because it's most likely not for the reasons you think.

I think it's because you're an intellectually lazy absolutist who was taught that there are only two genders, is uncomfortable with any kind of ambiguity, and who takes offense at the notion that he might not understand things as well as he thinks he does. Furthermore you have adopted a virulent homophobia from the society around you as well as the conventional fragile masculinity that is unfortunately expected of men in much of our culture and makes them afraid of doing anything at all that could even remotely make anybody think they were even slightly feminine in any way. Am I wrong?