Wherever there is parody, someone once wrote (in the context of the arts), there is always an unconcious desire and actual love of the object parodied. I think most artists of whatever sought, who blaspheme are secret Chrsitians, though they do not know it.
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Well, just because "someone once wrote" it doesn't mean it's true or true in the way you think it is.
Also, I've really heard enough of this crazy idea propounded by some Christians that non-believers really do believe. First, one cannot believe unconsciously. Belief, as in a religion, must be consciously achieved. Second, Christians have no way of knowing what is in the minds of non-believers, but for what the non-believers say. If they say they do NOT believe, it is the height of arrogance and presumption to insist that they DO believe.
there is always an unconcious desire and actual love of the object parodied.
Not always. In fact, if it's a parody or satire, it's usually the opposite. (Imitation, on the other hand, usually does imply feelings of the sort you described.)
To be fair, I see an awful lot of homophobic rants receive a response here of, "Oh, he must be gay and is trying to compensate with excessive displays of anti-gaiety." Would someone care to explain the difference between that and what this guy is saying?
~David D.G.
Quotes are often excellent for illustrating a point, but one must strive never to think directly in terms of them, or use them as a basis for decisions. To do so smacks of absolutism and a simplistic world view. Treat this one as such also!
I disagree with the original quote. Saying something doesn't make it true.
Do you think Mel Brookes actually has an unconscious desire to be a Nazi or Torquemada? I certainly don't.
In fact, I would be more likely to think that a parody comes from someone who has strong feelings about the subject, but not necessarily love.
yep, and boys really do tease you because they like you.
to be fair, there is a variety of gentle parody that is meant affectionately.... but there's also biting, nasty, vicious parody that's meant to FUCK YOU UP.
Abaddon: Thank you. The conclusion from the abstract of that study reads, "Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies." Okay, so the difference is that there is scientific evidence for this business of homophobes being repressed gays; byrite, however, will be hard pressed, I think, to provide equivalent evidence for his assertion.
~David D.G.
David D.G.: I did wonder if we were being hypocritical here, but I think the major difference is that a person makes a conscious decision to follow a religion, whereas homosexuality is not a choice. Therefore, there is no reason to "protest too much" to Christianity in an effort to cover up a facet of yourself you cannot control, as in homosexuality.
Christians are just utterly DESPERATE to cling to their beliefs because deep down, they know they're flawed. Yes, I used to be a Christian (until I reached the age of reason). I renounced my faith. I am no longer a Christian. Get the fuck over it.
David DG and others:
There is no black and white here. I have written parody songs of songs that I like, mainly because I've listened to the song so much I know it well. Some songs I have absolutely despised so the parody was harsher and the hate was there. Other songs have lyrics that just sound like other words so I parodied them based on the ease of re-writing.
Many times someone who lambasts homosexuality is probably covering something up, true. But I think it gets used as a conveniant thing to say sometimes and gets used too often. Some people are just mean-spirited assholes and really do hate 'fags'. Others probably see them as an easy target. The problem in this posters quote is that he/she says ALWAYS. THere seem to be few 'always' in thinking. I don't think it is accurate to make absolutes. That's the way I see it anyway.
Oh that makes total sense. Because we are not believers, we are therefore believes. Congratulations on the absolutely astounding level of logic here.
You have to consciously choose to believe in something. I don't believe in Christianity, therefore I am not one of the 'Chrsitians' as you so eloquently put it.
“Wherever there is parody, someone once wrote, there is always an unconcious desire and actual love of the object parodied”
I think Norman Lear loved Archie Bunker. Archie was given a few redeeming qualities. And over time his character grew and changed. I do not believe this love extends to the people sitting at home, nodding their heads, unaware that Archie was the butt of the joke, not the hero.
I certainly don’t think Alec Baldwin, or SNL writers, have a secret love of Bonespurs.
The uncited author of the original may have meant to say something about a specific use of parody, maybe?
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