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Grace Kim Kwon #fundie christiannews.net

This is the core of the whole matter. Nothingness produces nothing. Productive nothingness is never been observed. Its probability is zero. God created the heavens and the earth - everything in the universe and beyond. Planet Earth contains the accurate records of it, the Holy Bible, just like the signature of an artist on an artwork and also as the Maker's Manual for users' life. And the evidences are unmistakable. The probability is 100%. Atheists just want filthy autonomy against the Creator God, continuing their evil. You won't have your way in His world for long. You are revealing exactly what you are made of in the short lifespan you are on earth by how you regard your Creator God. Read Colossians chapter 1 to find how everything came into being. The universe has a purpose of creation from the Creator God. Repent of your sinful unbelief to get saved.

Dave_L #fundie christiannews.net

Are Gays actually married in God's eyes? The Bible defines marriage as a wedding. It is purely a civil or nuptial agreement. Jesus told the woman at the well she had 5 husbands and the one she is currently with is not her husband. “for you have had five husbands, and the one you now have is not your husband. What you have said is true.”” (John 4:18, ESV)

So yes, Gays are married in God's sight but it is a sinful marriage just as adulterous marriages are sinful.

WorldGoneCrazy #fundie christiannews.net

Here is a secular proof for the existence of Hell, your future home should you not repent:

1. Every natural innate human desire has a corresponding satisfying object in reality. (e.g., thirst has the object of water, hunger has the object of food, etc)

2. All humans possess a natural innate desire for objective moral justice to be satisfied.

3. Therefore, objective moral justice exists.

4. In some cases, objective moral justice is not satisfied in this lifetime. (e.g., Hitler, Stalin, Mao, unrepentant abortion "doctors," abortuary deathscorts, etc)

5. Therefore, objective moral justice is achieved in an afterlife.

6. Therefore, Hell exists.

What will it take for you to admit you were on the wrong side of the world’s worst holocaust in human history? Look in those dishes – those are the arms and legs and heads of dead babies floating there. If that is not enough to turn your heart, what is?!? What WILL it take?

Drake #fundie christiannews.net

No, Darwinian evolution is NOT a proven fact. It flies as a fallacial farce in that it cannot demonstrate one kind of animal developing into a completely different kind of animal (ie dogs to whales, theropods to birds, etc.), cannot demonstrate the development of bisexual reproduction from asexual organisms, cannot demonstrater the development of DNA or RNA from amino acids, cannot explain the formation of the first stars, etc. Evolution isn't even a theory, though many people falsely make that claim, or erroneously repeat it because they've heard it so many times. The only evidence for evolution comes from Hollywood movies, cartoons, and handbook sketches. Acceptance of evolution as fact relies on blind faith.

There is no better explanation of fossils from mass extinctions, layers in rocks, and the Cambrian Explosion than direct creation by God and the Genesis Flood.

FoJC_Forever #fundie christiannews.net

If you offend a sinner, they get uptight and want to lash back at you. It is their sinful condition which motivates them to lash out at others.

If you don't want the answer, don't ask the question. Her colleague already knew what the Bible teaches about homosexuality and simply set her up to be fired.

The Wicked protect the Culture of Sin, because they are empowered by the father of their carnal nature.

Skywatcher57 #fundie christiannews.net

That's a very good question! He DID show up, and that's why we celebrate Christmas and Easter...you know...those two holy days you get paid for that you don't believe in. You see, even if you are correct, and the world possesses a few lunatics, the whole world couldn't possibly be deceived by the same lie! Further to that, people wouldn't be willing to lay their lives down for a lie, would you? We have the historical accounts of Christ's ministry, crucifixion, death, and resurrection. We also have historical accounts as to how the Apostles died in defense of their faith in Christ. In fact, a Jewish Roman historian by the name of Josephus wrote about him at great length, as did other historians.

Part 2 of my answer is, why would God want to stay where He's not wanted? Where He's been literally kicked out and replaced with paganism and evil? He DOES show up for those of us who are members of His family, because daily, we invite Him to do so. He is a perfect gentleman, and will only stay where invited and welcome. Don't believe me? Try Him out and see!

Let's say Christians are wrong about their beliefs, theoretically speaking of course, enjoying miracles and blessings along the way... then why is it so important for non-Christians to want to exterminate and to mock and persecute them? Why not just let them live and let live, as you folks desire? I'll tell you why...we have the truth, and rather than accept the truth that there is a Judgment Day coming, it is easier and more popular to try to decry that fact, so one can continue living a life of debauchery and / or self-servience without repercussion, so they theorize.

You see, AlienFactor, if we didn't have the truth, you wouldn't be wasting your time arguing with us, trying to prove something that is impossible to prove.

I've proven my point much more than you even attempted to prove yours! The Holy Bible says, "God is love", I John 4: ver.8, 16. Only a fool would say love doesn't exist! If you've ever experienced love on any level, you've experienced God. Love and morality don't just suddenly evolve from a chamber pot of slurry or any other material matter. It has to have an origin.

FoJC_Forever #fundie christiannews.net

God hasn't changed His mind. Those who know Jesus (the) Christ won't change their mind. Homosexuality is sinful, against God's Will and Word. Those who embrace it, support it, and practice it are calling God a liar and choosing to live in Sin. Those who choose to live in Sin reject Jesus (the) Christ, thus rejecting Salvation from their Sin. Those who reject Salvation will inherit Eternal Damnation.

Obama is a liar. This has been proven over and over again. He embraces Sin. He is not Christian. He is pandering to a sinful social and political movement which is led and empowered by Lucifer. America has fallen and is continuing its fall into Darkness.

Judgement is coming.

Terri Horn #fundie christiannews.net

I would think non believers would at least check it out. ones who honestly check out what the Bible says since the consequences are so horrific. there are lots of things we believe BUT cannot see evidence such as carbon carbon monoxide, sir, oxygen, evolution etc. Read the Bible and in genesis mentions world being round. Read Job and it talks about an ice age as well as creatures that we would refer to as dinosaurs (word of dinosaur not used until 18th century. Sad that most people refuse to even take a glimpse take a glimpse of the Bible non believers REFUSE even to look. If I am wrong I will never know but if you are you will see a nightmare from which you can never escape from. Just remember you were told the truth and refused to believe. Jesus sweating drops of blood is rare BUT has happened to others. blood from the side if Jesus poured out along water. Unmixed blood and water is sign of cardiac failure and no one at that time would know that. Tomb was empty and Rome admits this and if they thought guards were responsible they would have been crucified for it happening. 3500 years before the birth if Jesus tells how he dies 1000 years before Rome ever used thus method to kill people. Refuse to believe just remember you were given a few facts so if you refuse to check them out do not blame God for your disbelief

afchief #fundie christiannews.net

Evolution is science???? Don't make me laugh!!!! Evolution: In the beginning there was random chance. Explain to me HOW that is science????

Darwinian evolution is a belief system based largely on faith. It is the religion of the age. Professor Louis T. Moore, a vocal evolutionist, said:

"The more one studies paleontology, the more certain one becomes that evolution is based on faith alone." (8, pg. 50)

"It is absurd for the Evolutionist to complain that it is unthinkable for an admittedly unthinkable God to make everything out of nothing, and then pretend that it is more thinkable that nothing should turn itself into everything."

—G. Chesterson

Evolution is science?!?!?! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oboehner #fundie christiannews.net

The term "creationist" is commonly used as an anti-science label by proponents of evolutionism. Both "evolutionist" and "evolutionism" refer to scientists and others who accept that the atheistic-based religious belief that evolution is the best explanation for the development of life on the earth (otherwise known as over 99% of all scientists in relevant fields because if they don't subscribe they are blacklisted, marginalized, and often fired). To compound this stupidity some evolutionists even argue that "creation" is a fairytale religion taking away "sexual freedom" and other supposed benefits of present day society. This while believing in an exploding dot and random chance to arrive at all of the complexities known and unknown. All in all, this represents mainly a bunch of atheistic garbage.

D.M.S. #fundie christiannews.net

Canis Vulpes:
It isn't your place to comment on how "Christian" another Christian is.

D.M.S.:
By scripture yes it is. We Christians are to let our brothers and sisters in Christ know if they’re sinning against God/Jesus.

Canis Vulpes:
And if they do the same against you, and undoubtedly see things they consider wrong and unbiblical, what are we left with? A bunch of Christian groups playing No True Scotsman and pointing fingers at each other. No wonder Christianity is not taken seriously by so many people. You guys can't even unite and get your act together.
Atheists don't seem to bother with this place, but more reasonable liberal-minded Christians probably take issue with your nazi-like posturings.

D.M.S.:
Most liberal-minded Christians will probably go to hell with all of the nonbelievers.
Like there’s no such thing as a married homosexual Christian. They don’t exist to God/Jesus in any form.

Canis Vulpes:
Why do I just imagine you rubbing your hands together with glee at the idea?
This is just a paranoid revenge fantasy for you. Anyone who dares believe differently gets punished for eternity. That's sick, man.

WorldGoneCrazy #fundie christiannews.net

"I'm not quite sure why that merits a smiley face at the end of it"

Because you have bounced back and forth denying, then affirming, Premise 2.

"Your premises and conclusions don't line up the way you think they do."

How so? Here they are:

Premise 1: If there is no God, then objective moral values do not exist.

Premise 2: Objective moral values DO exist.

Conclusion: Therefore, God exists.

"Yeah. That's called empathy and human decency, and it requires no God. And you somehow never state why you think it does."

Empathy and human decency are subjective. When you are crying out to Someone or Something Objective, you are denying the worldview of the atheist. There is nothing objective to cry out to. It is a slow cold dark death with no memory of anything on this pale blue dot, on your view.

"Quote Dawkins until your face turns blue. Lots of atheists disagree with him about MANY things."

Oh sure, but the consensus on this subject is that objective moral values and duties do not exist. You need to tell me why they are wrong and why the 3 additional reasons that I provided are wrong. Thus far, you have failed to do so.

"Strange, because I'm living (an atheist life) just fine. Ever ask yourself why God won't heal amputees?"

Haha - I love it! Now you are getting desperate, Valri. Here is your "logic:"

Premise: I do not know of any amputees being healed (outside of human involvement, that is).

Conclusion: Therefore, God does not exist.

You could pretty much put anything into your premise along those lines (why hurricanes, tsunamis, etc? Why did my ice cream melt too fast today?) but the conclusion does not follow based on any rules of logic, that is.

"You act as though you're quoting from the Atheist Bible or something which doesn't exist."

No, but the Atheist Creed does exist:

I, the atheist, believe:

1. That the universe miraculously popped into existence out of nothing uncaused by anything.

2. That life magically sprang forth from non-life when lightning hit some mud.

3. That minds and morals evolved from molecules through monkeys.

4. That there is no God, and I hate Him.

"I'm free to disagree with Dawkins and I don't have to turn in my Atheist Club Card."

Sure, you can disagree with him all you want, but when you cannot provide any rational reason for your disagreement, then don't go around thinking you are the "rational" one.

"What you don't seem to get is that I have no problem with objective moral values and still don't see why they depend on a God, because they don't."

Take it up with your fellow atheists - over 200 years. And consider the future of the universe, in which no matter how you behave - Hitler or Ghandi - it will not matter one whit. On that view, your life cannot have any objective purpose or meaning or morality. Some people win, some lose - it's all the law of the jungle and nothing else.

"No God worth believing in would make permanent, eternal torture and burning conditional on anything."

How come? Sounds like you think, like (another poster) pointed out, that you would make a better "god?" :-)

Doug Bristow #fundie #homophobia christiannews.net

Members of the LGBT, that includes homosexuals, are mentally and spiritually ill and their lives are extremely unstable. That would make them prone to the abuse of others including children.

They are living a lie and living in direct violation of God's Word engaging in sexual immorality and children in that environment will be either directly or indirectly indoctrinated to live a life of sexual sin and perversion also. Those who die unrepentant in their sins, including the sin of homosexuality, will spend eternity in the lake of fire.

Rev Donald Spitz #fundie #homophobia christiannews.net

Homosexuality should be criminalized. Homosexuality is a crime
against God and against the Holy Bible. After reading this story I know why God
wrote:

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of
them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their
blood shall be upon them.

Romans 1:24
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own
hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: :26 For this cause God
gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural
use into that which is against nature: :27 And likewise also the men, leaving
the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with
men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence
of their error which was meet.

Bob Jones #fundie christiannews.net

Please explain how the Universe came into being. Tell me what caused the Universe to exist? After that, tell me if you are in favor of cancer research, or support do you support feeding and clothing the hungry? If you do, you're a hypocrite. You are interrupting Evolution. As a Christian, I fully support medical research, and feeding and clothing people in need, because I believe that God created everything, and He tells us to have compassion for our fellow human beings. Not that I understand everything, but to assume that if you do not understand the "why" of certain situations, it can't be true, is the height of hubris. In doing so, you attempt to bring God down to the level of humans. God is Supernatural. He is separate from His Creation, but intimately involved in His Creation. His reasons are beyond our understanding.

lorac odraned #fundie #homophobia christiannews.net

Jimmy is dead wrong on that statement. Jesus/God made us in His image and likeness. We were created to know, love and serve Him so we can spend eternity in Heaven with Him. In the days of Moses, the penalty for homosexuality was death by stoning. He told His Israelites through Moses that a man must not lie with another man as he does with a woman. That is detestable. God said homosexuality is a sin. So why would Jesus approve of sinful behavior? He wouldn't and He doesn't!

David Collins #fundie christiannews.net

It does answer the question. Your problem is you don't like the answer. so to answer you again, no evil (such as the satanic temple) should be allowed to invoke satan. In fact, they should be shut down and run out of town. Their temples burned to the ground, and the space consecrated to God. They should not be allowed to give an invocation any more so than the deceived demon worshippers in Israel who threw their babies into the red hot mouth of Molech whereupon they screamed in pain and were cooked to death as a sacrifice to satan. It may have been socially acceptable, but God says 'anyone who harms one of these little ones, it would be better for them if a millstone were hung around their neck and they were dropped into the sea than what is going to happen to them in the judgment."

The Last Trump #fundie christiannews.net

That's atheists for you. Deathly afraid of freedom of speech and thought.
Hey, I thought it was supposed to be the "religious" who were the control freaks, squashing freedoms and limiting the scope and exchange of ideas?
Oh wait. I forgot. Atheism IS a religion.
Huh. Makes perfect sense now.

FoJC_Forever #fundie christiannews.net

Totally awesome! Praise God for the life of Gianna Jessen! May her voice be heard across this nation and the world. Those in Heaven rejoice to see her give witness to the inhumane brutality of what many call "rights". We will see and worship God forever with those who have been murdered by "the woman's right to choose". They too will be resurrected unto Life!

Judgememt is coming.

Follow Jesus, find Salvation

Grace Kim Kwon #fundie #homophobia christiannews.net

Homosexuality practically causes mankind to have sexual lust over everyone and everthing in existence. (Genesis ch.19, Leviticus ch.18-20, Romans ch.1 Jude ch.1) Such immorality hurts children the most. Exposure to homosexuality is a child-abuse, since innocence is children's universal human rights. Jesus cursed those who hurt children. The Westerners got quite lost this century by applying racial equality upon sexual immorality. Racism is an average defect among mankind but the inclination to Sodomy is abnormal even among the pagans. The West should stop forcing Sodomy upon the nations or upon the children; it's so suicidal in every way. Western Liberals are well-dressed savages. The Westerners need to read the Holy Bible to become civilized again and to provide safety to their children. And the Western Church should never submit to the Sodomic atheists. It's a treason against King Jesus. (Revelation ch. 2-3)

Reason2012 #fundie #homophobia christiannews.net

Adults continue to permanently turn away from homosexuality, even after decades of believing the lie they were “born that way”, proving it’s not genetic, but the product of indoctrination, confusion, mental instability and/or abuse.

Homosexual behavior is most literally pointed out as a sin, and God has not changed on that regard. But if a person has those inclinations but does not act upon them, does not dwell in lust upon others, but is instead struggling against them to avoid them, then it's not a sin. It's just like sinful inclinations of any kind: it's acting upon it when it becomes a sin.

bern #fundie christiannews.net

Homosexuality is a sin. The bible states so in Lev. 18:22 as well as 1 Cor. 6:9-10. Nobody has a right to push this sin off on anyone's child, especially in the school system. It is the parent's responsibility to teach their child on issues such as this, it does not belong in any classroom agenda. This teacher had no right to do what he did; it isn't about acceptance, equal rights, etc. this sin is called an abomination to a holy God and all who continue in it will face eternal wrath.
There is hope and mercy in Christ and his finished work on the cross. The bible commands sinners everywhere to repent or perish. Flee to Christ while there's time.

Homer for God #fundie christiannews.net

How? Praying and offering a choice to follow God and have everlasting peace ?That's hardly pushing anything. Maybe it's the constant judging? Only God is the final judge on your life. Any "Christian" that tells you otherwise is not walking in the truth. Still no pushing of anything. When one says"No, I will not follow in your teaching of fairy tales and made up Gods and I will not bow and pray" neither our government, football coaches/chaplains, or other power of authority has ever punished him/her. Before you get up in arms and start trolling with responses, let me clarify that statement. As true followers of Christ, we accept anyone regardless of their beliefs or non beliefs. If you want to believe in thor, odin and rainbow pooping fairies then by all means that's your prerogative. We WILL NOT judge you for it. Instead we will present our beliefs, share our witness testimony to what events led us to God and the saving grace God has given us. We are the first to call ourselves hypocrites before atheists used them in arguments. Why? because we are sinners saved by Grace. Our fleshly bodies will pay the price of sin and our souls will go to heaven. With that knowledge, we are comfortable in sharing it with others in hope that they too will have that same peace. We know that it won't happen for everyone and we are fine with that. That is what Christ has taught us in the Word all along.
So why the long dribble? When our country was founded, the idea of having the freedom to believe what you want without judgement or punishment is what the first amendment was written for. The majority of our founding fathers acknowledged there is a God. I'm sure however, they disagreed on how God should be worshipped, but they were all in agreement that we have that right to choose for ourselves.In other words, the first amendment was written to defend one's rights of religion.
If you truly believe that words on a wall or people bowing their heads in prayer is "pushing" you or "forcing" you to believe or whatever, then YOU have that problem. I'm offended by several images on public and government property all the time but I choose to ignore it because my life and my family's life is more important than images on a wall. Also I don't care.
I will however continue to pray for truth and understanding to come to you. God is the only way.
God Bless

Travis Stephens #fundie christiannews.net

The problem with evolution is it pulls a crackpot theory out of thin air and tries to glue it in to mankind's history. And the reason it does this is to attempt to deceive the masses and as mentioned lead them quite happily into hell.There is plenty of proof as to why evolution does not work but I cannot do all the legwork for you. You must do it.. satan hates God's creation he hates us, the reason he wants to deceive us is because he hates what we represent. We are created in God's image. The enemy's pride and rebellion got him cast out of heaven and ever since God created mankind the enemy has been deceiving and lying and attempting to destroy us. The flood did happen there is evidence but of course this is being covered up as well. The reason why our government is covering things up is because they do not want the world to know the truth. They are puppets of the enemy and this is all a part of a bigger picture which will lead up to the return of Christ and the tribulation. This isn't just some story in a book. This is the reality in which you and I live. You can choose to accept it with faith and accept and follow Christ or you can close your ears to it and walk away but the message is here. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life - John 3:16. Do I want many more to come to repentance? Of course I do! It's my job as a Christian to tell others about the hope that I have in Jesus. It is my sincerest hope and prayer that I may reach the lost and hurting. I may be bashed and mocked and ridiculed for my witness but that just means im doing my job. Im not here to make friends I am here to win souls.

God Bless You all

Crusader Ron :E #fundie christiannews.net

Cosmology is guess work, we still don't know exactly how light travels, especially beyond our own orbit! And please don't add TIME to it... whoah!

C14 and other dating methods don't work. C14 is in dinosaurs, thusly null and voiding ALL dates. Radiation stuff... gets whacko numbers... labs won't do blind tests!

Every geological formation has been seen to occur in hours, days... volcanoes, mountains, sedimentary layers, diamonds, oil. Even fossils require catastrophe... NONE have been seen to occur over millions of years. ... I mean... just think of 1 million years!...???

Don't get me started on biology and anatomy!!!

Tony Demarcus, Ph.D., D.D. #fundie christiannews.net

Faggot:

You wouldn't know the true message of the Christian Bible if it fell on your head falling out of a 40th storey window, you little eunuch! Who the heck the you think you are to try to lie to the Christian relative to the message contained within 2 Corinthians 6? You ignorant dolt, you will never come close to the Biblical knowledge given to the Christians by Jesus Himself within those verses of our illustrious KJV!

FYI, 2 Cor 6 talks about interactions with pagans (a.k.a. heathens, a.k.a. satanists), including of the likes of you. It's simple math, really--church is for Christians, not for those that go against Jesus and His Word (Matt. 12:30)! Got it?

Brian Matthews #fundie #homophobia christiannews.net

What's your definition of love? Does it include TRUTH? Righteousness? Purity? Humility? Wholesomeness? Morality? Order?

Too many people are throwing the word LOVE around, these days, without even knowing what love is.

Allow me to tell you what love isn't. Love isn't being nice. It isn't warm fuzzy FEELINGS. It isn't telling people what they want to hear instead of what they NEED to hear. It isn't giving them what they want instead of what they NEED. It isn't following them when you are responsible for LEADING them. It isn't being more concerned with them liking, and accepting you than you are with doing what's best for them even if they hate you for it.

There's no courage involved with going along with the crowd. It's the path of least resistance. Anyone can do it.

No one is homosexual. That's a lie.

Every time you tell someone that they are gay, you are helping to destroy them. You may mean well, but it's been said the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

Derringer Duo #fundie christiannews.net

You stood quiet and you let ONE couple lead the charge.
And you lost the ability to let your child pray in school if they wanted to.

You stood quiet and let a handful of people lead the charge.
And you lost the ability to have the 10 commandments displayed where they had been since the INCEPTION of this country.

You stood quiet and let the minority bully bakers and pizzerias into bankruptcy because they didn't want to compromise their personal beliefs.
And you lost the ability to run a Christian business in a Godly way.

You stood quiet and let FIVE judges kick down the doors of the church (as well as every other religious institution) and STEAL a RELIGIOUS ceremony and corrupt it before God.

Will you also stand quiet now? While these wolves seek to go for the jugular? Do you have any idea how many Christian churches, non-profits and schools will collapse if they lose their tax exemption status?

You stand quiet, and now a few of them, emboldened by all the ways a few of them were able to kick around Christians, are going for the jugular.

It went from simple prayer in a classroom, to them standing at the door calling for the collapse of your church.

This isn't about "love". This is a bunch of jackboot dictators trying to force their dogma on the opposition or see it destroyed. Tax exemption has nothing to do with these people going to a church, or chapel, or justice of the peace and getting married.

They are coming for you now.

What are you going to do about it?

Someone here said it's just "two activists". Two is all it ever took to lose everything you have thus far.

I promise you, look throughout history, not just Christianity, but across other religions, political belief systems, theologies, etc... Whenever one side got the government to turn on the other, the other was surpressed and persecuted.

You think it can't happen in America, but if you don't do something NOW, preaching the Gospel will be considered giving a terroristic hate speech and you will be thrown in jail for it.

Seems unrealistic?

Ask your grandpas if they'd ever see the day that a pastor may have to marry two men on his altar or risk losing his church.

You better rise.

Tony Demarcus, Ph.D., D. D. #fundie christiannews.net

Reasonable Conservative:
First of all, when attempting to quote the Bible, use the Christian Bible and not a Cathlic counterfeit. To wit, "Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak." Matthew 26:40

Relative to your false idea that real Christians, those who been Saved by the real Jesus (as opposed to believing that they were Saved by fictional Jesus, such as that of Mormons or Cathlics), may knowingly choose to sin, have you actually read the Christian Bible?? The Christian Bible teaches us that once we are Saved, we're saints--not sinners! Duh. Unfortunately the space on this message board doesn't allow the Christian to present a proper thesis on the subject. But there are good news! Brother Wally Langford is an esteemed and illustrious Christian pastor that used to post some of his Biblical sermons on youtube. You can find it by searching for his moniker there: preachthehelloutofya . In his channel you can find sermon called "you might be one, but I'm not."

It is therefore, your assignment to study the message within so that one day you may fully understand the WHOLE meaning of the Christian Bible.

WorldGoneCrazy #fundie christiannews.net

A secular ontological proof of the existence of your future home, lest you repent:

1. Every natural innate human desire has a corresponding satisfying object in reality. (e.g., thirst has the object of water, hunger has the object of food, love has the object of persons and dogs, like me :-), knowledge has the object of reality perceived through our five senses plus the enormous complexity-resolving hardware and software of our brain, etc) (observation and human experience)

2. Humans possess a natural innate desire for objective moral justice to be satisfied. (human psychology; in fact, this desire is so strong that even many atheists will utter the phrase “Go to Hell”)

3. Therefore, objective moral justice exists. (1,2 Modus Ponens)

4. If objective moral justice exists, then it exists for everyone – otherwise, it would not be objective, moral, or justice. (definition of objective moral justice)

5. Therefore, objective moral justice exists for everyone. (4,3 Modus Ponens)

6. If objective moral justice exists for everyone, then it must exist in this life or a potential afterlife for everyone. (complete disjunction on potential human existence)

7. Therefore, objective moral justice must exist in this life or an afterlife for everyone. (6,5 Modus Ponens)

8. For some persons, objective moral justice is not satisfied in this lifetime. (e.g., Hitler, Stalin, Mao, unrepentant abortion "doctors," abortuary deathscorts, etc) (observation regarding heinous atrocities whose perpetrators never received OMJ in this life)

9. Therefore, for some persons, objective moral justice is satisfied in an afterlife. (simple cancellation)

10. Therefore, objective moral justice exists in an afterlife, i.e., Hell exists. (existential generalization)

(Special thanks to the following atheist-agnostics, and others unnamed, who provided constructive criticisms helping me to identify hidden steps: Elie, markb, Unrepentant Atheist, and Disqusdmnj. Any remaining errors are mine and mine alone.)

TheWorldIsDoomed #fundie #homophobia christiannews.net

TheWorldIsDoomed:
Even if you dont believe in a creator God, you cant dismiss biology. We see this in the animal kingdom, male and female mating. Its the natural order.
The anus is not a sexual organ. Its for excrement/waste.
The homosexual lifestyle has serious consequences, ie risk of aids/hiv, colon cancers, high suicide rate in lgbtq, high level of domestic violence etc.
To advertise cereal promoting the minority groups of lgbtq on young impressionable minds is careless and unloving.
Children need to be taught the natural order of relationships/sex/pro creation

Justus Jonas:
Why are you discussing the anus? Lesbians represent 50% of the homosexual population, how often do you think they engage in Anal sex? And what about all the straight couples who DO?

TheWorldIsDoomed:
Why do lesbians feel the need to use phallic sex toys? (Shows that homosexuals cannot escape the natural order of sexual intimacy)
Or, why is it, when you see, lets say, male homos (for short) theres always the "feminine" one, and the more manly one.
Same with female homos. Theres always a bloke looking one, and a more female one.

Jeriah Knox #fundie christiannews.net

Only a belief system will claim to know when the baby should have human rights and be protected from the big people that want to kill it. The woman that walks into the clinic to abort her child is depending on a belief just like the Christian is depending on a belief to say no, the child has rights. Why are abortion loving belief systems government sanctioned, government funded, taught in our government schools, and written into our laws.

Why do belief systems which preach abortion rights, also preach the moral goodness of promiscuity, homosexuality, pornography, and transgendering? There is an underlying belief system that ties these beliefs together. Those that oppose Christian street preaching, do so from a particular belief system. People need to stop pretending they don't believe and recognize what they have already believed, the belief system by which they live their lives.

Eldrida Urika #fundie christiannews.net

To be honest for the evolutionist that say we come from apes is one of the biggest problems with the theory to anyone who looks at it, is if we developed from apes, why do apes still exist but do not evolve into humans as our 'predecessors' did. That is totally unlikely to have happened if we came from the apes ourselves. Even if all of them didn't turn into humans, I would think that the odd one would still evolve into a human just by the same coincidence. The odds are more for it than against that happening in that belief.
Otherwise, it makes no sense and supports our belief that God made male and female just like His Word in the bible states. That's how I've thought since I was little and heard that man came from apes. I wasn't Christian to have another belief to compare it to either. It makes no logical sense, nor is it reasonable to accept for some of us.
So just why don't the apes become human not even the 1 in a trillion that would be expected to go beyond the others and become a human too. Your proof are skeletons and human skulls and if God made us similar, it doesn't mean one came the other, it means they have similar skeletons/skulls to ours. Pigs have similar enough hearts to use in transplants, does that mean we also come from pigs? Why does one animals similarities get to be accepted as the reason but another's isn't - and that is not just the pig that has attributes that humans have too.
We all breathe the same way. we all eat and digest the same way. Our vision is similar to our pets, and can need corrective lens too. So with all the different similarities, why does just one qualify to be our predecessor? Wouldn't it be more reasonable to believe that we are a combination of all the animals than that only one qualifies as our origin.
I'm sorry if this is not what you expected but I've had a long time to think about this without the Christian perspective too. These are the questions I need answered before I could even come close to evolution being something that actually answered the question of where humans came from when I believe in God and believe that he does not lie. He is too beyond us than to need to lie. He can do anything why would he even bother to lie? We can't even come close to imagining what he is capable of knowing or doing. It's beyond our abilities to think like God, so we can't be confident in anything but the Word in the Bible, because if you believe in God, you are aware of his power without needing to question the things he does because of being God.
That's why we cannot imagine that we come from apes.

PecosOasis #fundie christiannews.net

I believe that Adam and Eve were real people. I believe that God created all things ex nihilo. I believe that the Bible is full of symbols and pictures of Jesus Christ from Genesis through Revelation. I believe all the stories of the Bible in the historical accounts are literally true and are illustrations of the gospel and the coming Savior. I also believe that God can create in 7 literal 24 hour days if he wishes. After weighing good arguments on both sides, I believe that those days were long periods of time. I've always been intrigued by the probability of the rotation of the earth slowing and cooling in order to support the next level of creation. I find this absolutely stunning and beautiful. That does NOT make me an evolutionist. 14 billion years or any other time frame would never be long enough for macro evolution. If you believe in 7 literal 24 hour days, great! Let's make room for open, respectful discussion.

WestWins #fundie #homophobia christiannews.net

WestWins:
Right! This all started because they simply wanted Civil Unions. Then it was "Bake That Cake!"
That expression -- "The Camel's Nose"

Canis Vulpes:
"Bake the Cake" I understand. If you run a bakery, people will have the right to expect you will bake a cake for them.

WestWins:
Did you just crawl out from under a rock? The issue was not about the cake.

Canis Vulpes:
The customer was getting married and was homosexual, and homosexuality is legal in the state where the cake was ordered. You (and the baker) have no leg to stand on. A cake is a cake, he didn't order a special gay cake. The baker caters to the public, not his church's bake sale.

WestWins:
Unbelievable. Go to a different Baker!!!
Hey Communist China is accepting members. I'll buy you a plane ticket

Canis Vulpes:
When a shopkeeper slaps you across the face, you don't go to a different one. You expose his bigotry and force him to obey the law. We aren't governed by your church, much as I'm sure you wish we were.
Plus look at the Pandora's box you open when you do that. If Christian bigots get to suddenly say who they are too high and mighty to serve, it can turn around and bite you back pretty hard. I know a ton of people who grit their teeth at the thought of associating with white supremacists. But you serve the public as a whole and get on with it.

WestWins:
"......and force him to obey the law...…."
Yep. Thanks.. I hear you loud and clear!

Canis Vulpes:
The law isn't optional. Are you suggesting it is?

WestWins:
Which Law? Laws change all the time.

Canis Vulpes:
I see, and you want to give shopkeepers the right to deny their services to the general public if they are Christians and don’t like the things their customers do in private?

WestWins:
It's called FREEDOM. What this Nation was Founded on until the CockRoaches infiltrated and destroyed her.

Canis Vulpes:
It is the opposite of freedom if you are the homosexual customer. But you don’t care about their side, do you? I bet you’d be the first one to scream if it was Christians being told to shop elsewhere.

WestWins:
Why do you care ……………… your side is winning!!! Good grief. Get an inch, take a mile.
Ironic -- someday soon what you 'suggest' will happen. And you are the one whom will have no sympathy for the Christian and the Posterity. It's happening right before our very eyes.
Bolshevik Russia -- Coming to America!

AlwaysPursueTruth #fundie christiannews.net

Because only the bible has the power of prophecy fulfilled throughout
history to back it up as true. These other "religions" do not.
In
fact following God is not a religion,religion is a man made thing... And
because these false ones are created, it paints an idea that there is
no right choice, since there are many, none of them could possibly be
true.
But if you actually learn, you would see the truth for yourself.

afchief #fundie christiannews.net

What Islam Isn't

By Dr. Peter Hammond
FrontPageMagazine. com | Monday, April 21, 2008

The following is adapted from Dr. Peter Hammonds book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat: Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system. Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components. Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called religious rights.

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to the reasonable Muslim demands for their religious rights, they also get the other components under the table. Heres how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

United States Muslim 1.0%
Australia Muslim 1.5%
Canada Muslim 1.9%
China Muslim 1%-2%
Italy Muslim 1.5%
Norway Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Denmark Muslim 2%
Germany Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom Muslim 2.7%
Spain Muslim 4%
Thailand Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves along with threats for failure to comply. (United States ).

France Muslim 8%
Philippines Muslim 5%
Sweden Muslim 5%
Switzerland Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris car-burnings) . Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana Muslim 10%
India Muslim 13.4%
Israel Muslim 16%
Kenya Muslim 10%
Russia Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Ethiopia Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia Muslim 40%
Chad Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania Muslim 70%
Malaysia Muslim 60.4%
Qatar Muslim 77.5%
Sudan Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Bangladesh Muslim 83%
Egypt Muslim 90%
Gaza Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia Muslim 86.1%
Iran Muslim 98%
Iraq Muslim 97%
Jordan Muslim 92%
Morocco Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan Muslim 97%
Palestine Muslim 99%
Syria Muslim 90%
Tajikistan Muslim 90%
Turkey Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of Dar-es-Salaam the Islamic House of Peace theres supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Afghanistan Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia Muslim 100%
Somalia Muslim 100%
Yemen Muslim 99.9%

Of course, thats not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.

Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel. Leon Uris, The Haj

It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.

Final thought.

In the Bible, God prophesied that Ishmael and his descendants would be wild and fight with everyone. This prediction has held true throughout history. Will the world ever have peace with Ishmael? Will Ishmael even find peace himself? Deep down, dont we all want the same things (love, peace, acceptance)? I wonder how much longer we will have to wait before real peace comes to humanity.

TruthvLies #fundie christiannews.net

One. Christian numbers are not dropping. They are increasing by the day. In China it is something like 10,000 day. In India it is thousands. In the Middle East muslims are converting to christianity in droves because Jesus is appearing to them in dreams and visions.

I know that you want their numbers to be dropping but it ain't the case. Even in America, over the last fifty years the numbers have remained constant.

I don't know what religion does as I am not involved in it. My faith is based on a relationship with a person so I don't need religion.
Sorry to say for you, I don't have an ego as I am dead and my life is hid with Christ in God.

Pascal's wager is only a poor argument if you are on the wrong end of it which atheists are. If it is true and it is, then you are a complete fool to say it is a poor argument.

But then atheist specialise in denial to avoid the truth.

Richard #fundie christiannews.net

The problem with the FSM, Leprechaun, and Odin questions is that they all start with an incorrect premise. They equate these imaginary and fictional characters to a real historical being. This is a mistake in logic and reason. This is why atheists often find themselves running in circles trying to figure out why their ‘argument’ is silly.

The reality of God is already established as a matter of the historical record. To believe God isn’t real, requires them to disprove the already established facts about God—which all of them admit they can’t do.

Because they can’t do it, their entire belief that God isn’t real – even though God has already been established as real – is based on blind faith—a belief (opinion) but not facts and evidence.

This is why it takes great faith to be an atheist.

Jason Todd #fundie christiannews.net

Sisyphus:
Evolution is based in science, intelligent design is an attempt to make superstition sound like science.

Jason Todd:
Evolution is a theory. And the idea of humans evolving from monkeys is part of it.
The problem with evolution is simple: Why, if we evolved from monkeys, do monkeys co-exist?

Sisyphus:
Firstly, you are using the term "theory" but mean "hypothesis", they are not the same thing. Humans have a common ancestor with modern apes, but, as I said previously, no credible scientist would contend humans evolved from monkeys.

Jason Todd:
No, I mean theory. Evolution is merely a guess, ruined by your own admission that we didn't evolve from monkeys. Intelligent design merely suggests a creator. This makes sense because the idea everything came from nothing is logically absurd.

Sisyphus:
How can you discuss anything related to science without even understanding the terms and concepts? Try learning the difference between theory versus a hypothesis. Hypothesis = a guess explaining observable phenomena & theory = a tested model to explain a proven set of factors. What you explain regarding evolution is a hypothesis, and evolution is a scientific model of facts.

Jason Todd:
Science always changes. God never does. Why can't you grasp that concept?

Jim Oakley #fundie christiannews.net

I've heard all this ignorance a hundred times no doubt over the years and am no closer to believing it now than I was the first time. In other words, you are wasting your time when you preach the nonsense you peddle.

The fact is, I have a Spiritual mind and understand things that your carnal mind can never comprehend. No, I'm not trying to sound superior or better than you. Actually my mind is better because it has been changed by God Himself and He has enabled me and other born again Christians to see from His perspective.

The carnal mind is ruled by Satan whose goal is to keep people in darkness and ignorance.

Man is no part ape, never has been. It is two different kinds of flesh. The flesh of man is unique among all the flesh in the world and was purposely designed to be so.

Wise folks take to heart the following words lest they be shown to be foolish in the end.

"But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 39All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds." ~ 1 Corinthians 15:38-39

Reason2012 #fundie christiannews.net

(1) There is no such thing as "separation of church and state" in the Constitution. That phrase came from the time a Pastor wrote a letter to Jefferson expressing his fears that Jefferson would in some way restrict religious freedoms. In response to these fears, Thomas Jefferson wrote a letter back to indicate that he would in no way restrict the freedom of religious expression because he saw a wall of separation between church and state.

So actually the phrase means the exact opposite of what a few claim it means: it re-iterates the First Amendment, that government shall make no laws prohibiting the free exercise of religious expression.

(2) First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; And yet those who reject God demand the government establish its own denomination of Christianity with its own version of marriage. A violation of the First Amendment.

(3) Congress/government also cannnot make a law prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

A school can decide to, for example, put up Ten Commandment displays and no one can force them not to.

A school can decide NOT to put up Ten Commandment displays and no one can force them to.

But in a Christian nation, the populace will be personally choosing to put up Ten Commandment displays often. Those that do not like this can start voting in a large number of people that believe differently and hope it changes.

That's liberty.

That's freedom.

That's the Constitution many died to create.

That's the United States of America.

Start understanding the Constitution, the First Amendment and the lie about "separation to church and state" and take back our right to honor and worship God as people in positions of leadership personally choose and see fit to on a case by case basis. America is under attack by those who hate Christians and Christianity, seeking to eventually ban it from everywhere except in your church, and after that who knows. We need to get back to the truth of God!

2 Chronicles 7:14 "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."

Christian News Network #fundie christiannews.net

UK Man Regrets Sex Change Operation, Says He Was ‘Trying to Escape Pain’ and Was Wrongly ‘Catapulted Through System’

A man who underwent drastic surgery to appear like a woman has now “detransitioned” and says he is glad to be living as a man once again.

Richard Hoskins, an author and criminologist, began living as a woman after his son David died and his second marriage ended.

He initially tried wearing makeup and ordering hormone treatments over the internet, but was forced to seek medical help when the drugs made him “desperately ill.”

“I didn’t have gender dysphoria – or gender confusion – as I had thought. I was trying to escape real, visceral and gut-wrenching pain.”

cadcoke5 #homophobia christiannews.net

There is valid reason to have more concern over a homosexual worker. Less than 3% of American men say they are homosexual, but nearly 1/3 of child sexual molesters are homosexual. Furthermore, you can see support for these acts from major homosexual leaders, and publications. This open support has reduced a lot in recent years, and NAMBLA is no longer permitted to march in the Gay parades. But, there remains an undercurrent that is OK with, or at least down-plays these crimes.

Harry Oh! #fundie christiannews.net

It's ok for Obama to publicly reject the DOMA, while it was still a law, but apparently this clerk doesn't have enough clout to reject a law that offends her and millions of others. This is the absolute height of hypocrisy. The laws in this country are a joke and have become more of a 'suggestion' to be enforced or rejected based on the whims and flavour of the current culture.

Roger Marks #fundie #homophobia christiannews.net

And I presume you are an expert on everything you don't like huh?
Anyhow I will correct your mistakes
One. A Christian fundamentalist is a well known person amongst the Christian community. I don't know the exact number but there must be millions of them and they don't phase us at all. They only phase those who can't handle the truth.
Two. The fundamentalist has much more understanding about being a Christian that you do.
Three. Homosexuality being sin is not a matter of belief. It is spelt out very clearly in scripture so it is not up for grabs.
Four. Your so called flash verses are not flash verses. They are verses that spell out that facts regarding homosexuality and how God views it.
Five. About 2% of homosexuals are in a committed same sex relationship, They are the exception to the rule but you never make policy based on the exception.
Six. As for monogamous relationships among homosexuals they virtually do not exist full stop. Research has been done and TV programmes made that most same sex relationships are not monogamous. The homosexual in the TV programmes have admitted monogamous relationships are boring so they find others to have sex with.
Seven. Your views about Franklin Graham are totally spurious and not worth the paper they are written on.

Roger Marks #homophobia christiannews.net

I am reminded about homosexuals who say if you don't want same sex marriage don't marry another person of the same sex so my reply is if you don't want freedom from homosexuality don't look for it and leave those alone who do want freedom from homosexuality.

What right have they got to tell others they are not allowed to be free of homosexuality? None at all, but they are so insecure they have to control everything that they can't handle.

I have a friend who has written two well researched books about homosexuality and he has come to the same conclusion that they are the most hateful, intolerant and discriminatory bigots this earth has ever seen.