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No, there are not. There is no such thing as a “factually willing child” because children must trust the adults in their world due to the child’s lack of perspective and ability to make choices regarding their sexuality.

Ill be the first to be on your side when you are arguing that often, the culture of adult domination will cause children to do things they would not otherwise do. But simply claiming that they do not have the factual ability to make decisions about their lives and bodies does not make it so. After all, most of the sex that adults have outside of an explicitly committed relationship is for reasons other than being in love, so to be claiming that adults have so much more of a handle on the emotional impacts of sex is false.

Now, sex is so unimportant and confusing to most children that we will not gain much by legalizing it. But that does not mean that there are not exceptions, or that most children who actively and willingly engage in free contact with adults will invariably be forever condemned to nightmares of the horrific rape. In fact, I’d say that in most situations where a child initiated non penetrative sexual contact,[b\ they’d be less messed up if the adult engaged in it and no one found out than if they engaged in it and they were found out and the child were dragged through an investigation and trial and the adult were sentenced to 10 years in prison and the child were taken to less-than-useless “therapy” where they were told over and over that they were a victim. Of course, the best solution is for adults to not engage in sex with children. But if that does occur I’m not sure which solution of the above would be better for that child in the above scenario.

Sentences are “overly harsh” for child molesters? Truly? Will wonders never cease.

I don’t know what the sentence are, honestly. I’d say that for factual coercion with non penetrative sex it should be a couple-so years in medium or light, at least, more depending on circumstances. Without either factual coercion or penetrative sex I have no idea if there should even be prison time but the question is how do you tell them apart, especially if the children do not want the contact and are being threatened by those with a supervisory relationship over them if they tell.

catsix #sexist #psycho boards.straightdope.com

Here’s a tip: even if you get drunk, have dinner, go home with a guy, strip naked, kiss him, lay down and THEN decide you don’t want to have sex, you say no. If he persists…he’s raping you.

And if you do that with no intention of having sex with the guy, you’re the asshole, not him.

At no point was the situation out of your control. You easily could have walked out.

Hell yes she could have. Go in the damn house and call your mother to get a ride home. Shit, run in there and lock the doors.

It’s situations like yours that made me come round to the belief that rape needs an affirmative consent standard.

The only possible benefit I could see to this would be that it’d protect the men who get accused of rape by the woman who says ‘Yes, I went home with him from the bar, ripped my clothes off, kissed him all over, then dived in his bed, but I brushed his hand away once so he should’ve known I didn’t want sex.’