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The Proof that God exists is that without Him you couldn't prove anything..........

I am not saying that professed unbelievers do not prove things....... The argument is that you must borrow from the Christian worldview, and a God who makes universal, immaterial, unchanging laws possible in order to prove anything........

In logic, this type of proof is called 'transcendental logic,' or 'the impossibility of the contrary,' where God is the basis for any rational thought........ Only the Christian worldview can logically support rationality........

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old comment by Papabear

"The Proof that God exists is that without Him you couldn't prove anything.......... "

To which I can only say "Prove it."

"I am not saying that professed unbelievers do not prove things....... The argument is that you must borrow from the Christian worldview, and a God who makes universal, immaterial, unchanging laws possible in order to prove anything........ "

Christians didn't invent everything in their "Christian world view." Other people had and have had good ideas before and after Christianity reared its head.

"In logic, this type of proof is called 'transcendental logic,' or 'the impossibility of the contrary,' where God is the basis for any rational thought........ Only the Christian worldview can logically support rationality........ "

In reality this type of proof is called "poor thinking" and "arrogant asshattery."

old comment by SweetViolet

Only the Christian worldview can logically support rationality........

Seems you are conveniently forgetting that Christianity, in all its many forms and splinters, is the new kid on the block. That guy, Christ...remember him?...was kicking it with his 12 buddies centuries after such things as logic had been well worked out by other civilisations.

Your fragmented little clot of narrow-minded cults are nothing but a bunch of arrogant Johnny-come-latelies trying to steal the credit due to the Greeks, among others. And you literalist Fundies aren't even first in line for christian credit, either...the Catholic church has about 1500 hundred years on you.

Maybe you should actually open that bible of yours and try reading it. The ninth commandment...the one about false witness...would be a really good place for you to start.

old comment by Grand Archblasphemer of York

But, you know, you would not even have a concept of God, let alone the actual entity, if it were not for the influence of The Danish Habbadasher from Beyond the Twelfth Dimension.

You see, that is metatranscendental logic, where The Danish Habbadasher from Beyond the Twelfth Dimension is the basis for any and all entities and creative forces, along with any form of belief that we could have in such entities or forces. It is to him that we owe the Creation of the one that you refer to as God. Bow down before him, lest he call upon your puny deity to revoke all logic, and leave you blathering more incoherently than you already are!

old comment by Swede

Circular logic is circular.

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No, I'd say more professed unbelievers manage to actually prove things, than professed fundies (who usually resort to Goddidit, instead of proof) do.

No, I mustn't. I can borrow from the Enlightenment worldview, or from the Greek/Roman worldview, or from ancient Egypt worldview, or from Hindu worldview, or from an atheistic worldview.

A god, yes, perhaps. Nothing whatsoever says that it has to be your particular god.
What makes that god possible, btw?

Universal, immaterial, unchanging laws are much more probable WITHOUT a god who can, if he chooses to, change everything, create a world, create humans out of dust, divide the sea to let people through, bring back people from the dead, etc. Unchanging god, my hat!

No, god is the opposite of rational thought.
Christian worldview does not support either logic or rationality.

“The Proof that God exists is that without Him you couldn't prove anything..........”
I’m reasonably sure you cannot prove that.
To even make a convincing argument to support this, you’d have to have access to a godless universe, where you can demonstrat that gods are needed in order to prove anything.
And you’d have to prove gods exist in order to demonstrrate that THAT universe is godless. But then you’d haveto have a god-detector, so you wouldn’t need this piss-poor argument, you’d just use the god detector to prove there is one.

“I am not saying that professed unbelievers do not prove things.......”
Um, no. We can read.

“The argument is that you must borrow from the Christian worldview, and a God who makes universal, immaterial, unchanging laws possible in order to prove anything........”
Of course, you’d still need to prove that gods are needed for universal laws to exist.

“In logic, this type of proof is called 'transcendental logic,' or 'the impossibility of the contrary,' where God is the basis for any rational thought........”
I think the word you’re looking for is ‘presupposition.’
Or dumber then dirt.

“Only the Christian worldview can logically support rationality.......”
And yet, algebra is not a Christain invention…

“The Proof that God exists is that if He doesn’t, I’M one of those who waste their lives following a God that’s nothing but imagination!!”

Yet atheists have Proven things without god and often disproved bible. So is god against the bible?

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