I just hate being pigeonholed as a hate monger or bigot," says Robert Hoehn, who contributed $25,000 to the campaign for Prop 8, which amended California's Constitution to exclude same-sex marriage.
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I don't like to defend these people, but they have a point: attack something people hold as sacred, or even seem to attack it, and they will react.
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But you love donating money to amend the Constitution to take away rights. Money that could go to actually help people, you use to hurt and dehumanize others by instilling YOUR religious beliefs.
Like I say, I'm not for religion in any way, but I would never vote to take away your right to practice..I wouldn't even want to put that on a bill to be dictated by others. I'm not a hate monger or a bigot such as yourself, and you can hide behind your fucking religion all you want. So sad..
@dpareja:
The issue isn't that they're reacting, since everyone expected them to; it's that they're reacting based on intolerance and bigotry.
And we can, and should, call them out on that.
I've heard the trespassing analogy before, and continue to be baffled as to why they think it's a good argument.
Riin-thrall: Of course. But from their point of view, it's not intolerance and bigotry that makes them react, it's defense of traditional values (or the like). Pointing out that this is just intolerance and bigotry really only serves to make them dig in deeper. So it's not that I don't agree that it's intolerance and bigotry; it is, and anything they call it is just lipstick on a pig. I just question the efficacy of dealing with people like Hoehn who are giving money to "Yes on 8" and the like. Far better to talk to undecideds or soft supporters (who aren't giving money) and make them see it for what it is.
Of course, this is FSTDT, and we don't actually talk to these people here, we just make fun of them. So to you, Bob, I hope you discover the many uses of the prostate. Soon.
I'm quite sure the people you're bigoted against hate being pigeonholed as perverts and evildoers, Robert.
Fundies, they're only capable of feeling sorry for themselves.
I just hate being pigeonholed as a hate monger or bigot," says Robert Hoehn,
Then you should not have A: donated money to a hate campaign, and B: then bragged about it.
Sure, but Bob, please realise that when we use those terms, it's only for simplicity's sake that we're omitting prejudiced evil meddling hypocritical sanctimonious civil-rights abusing neighbour-oppressing totalitarian pharisitical douche bag.
Then don't donate what is a year's income for many people to a cause whose entire goal is to make life more difficult for LGBT people.
@ dpareja: I do talk to people who oppose my marriage elseweb and--this is the very difficult part--within my own family. The cartoon sucked, too. Nobody who wants to be same-sex married is trying to take away from others. It is the opponents who try to take away and who think that they get to control others' lives.
Well, you obviously don't hate being called those names that much with a $25,000 donation. You aren't being pigeonholed, you are a hatemonger and a bigot.
I just hate being pigeonholed as a hate monger or bigot
Really?
This is wrong. California's Constitution has not been amended. Prop 8 is still unconstitutional.
Enough with the name-calling and emo garbage.
The damned proposition is unconstitutional!
Sure, we'll stop calling you a hatemonger and bigot. Just as soon as you explain what seperates you from the hatemongers and bigots opposed to interracial marriage? *yeah I know black people can have babies and gays cant, but the existence of contraceptives nand adoption are key points in why that one is fucking stupid* Or where those people not intolerant assholes? Did they just resent having some nigger come eat in their kitchen?
You are 25,000 times a bigot. Not only that, you must really hate the poor and suffering. That's about 50,000 meals, new cloths and shoes for hundreds, or a sizable contribution for many wonderful charities. Selfish asswipe!
I just hate being pigeonholed as a hate monger or bigot
Well, stop being a hate monger and a bigot then. It's not a hard concept, you know. Even Jesus said "love your neighbour like yourself" and such.
"I just hate being pigeonholed as a hate monger or bigot," says the Governer of Mississippi, who worked towards keeping segragation, which keeps those niggers off the white man's lawn.
25 Grand? Man, you are WWAAAAAYYYY more than a hate monger.
Here's the scale:
This kind of reminds me of Jeff Dunham's routine with Bubba J.
"I'm sick and tired of people saying NASCAR fans drink too much."
"I just hate being pigeonholed as a hate monger or bigot,"
Then contributing money to take away someone's civil rights was probably not the right move.
1) As for the cartoon, if homosexual marriage meant that people were breaking into my house, and eating my food, I would likely be opposed to it. Fortunately, it doesn't, and I'm not. I'm not really concerned about the marriage bit - as long as they have equal CIVIL rights, it's not really my battle. If a woman wants to be a female catholic priest, and joins the church so she can work for change on the inside, so be it. If someone is horrified at this, and joins the church to prevent women from being priests, I'm also fine with that. As long as I don't have to go to their rituals, they can define marriage or priesthood as restrictively or inclusively as they want. This is why I am opposed to the 'bans' - it STILL boils down to telling churches what to do and what to believe. What if a church BELIEVES that gay marriage is valid? Are you going to ban that church?
2) if you actually spend $25K to stop any and all churches from ever considering gay couples 'married', you are a bigot, and a stupid and selfish one. Why not give that extra money to people who need it, in your own town?!? Oh I forgot, Jesus said not to feed the poor, because it only encourages them.
@ dpareja
Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame analogy.
The issue here is about a negligible biological difference being assigned an arbitrary moral value. Not even kind of akin to property rights.
I wish I could read the signature on that shitty comic. I would tell the artist that myself.
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@Saint_savin
I know it's two-plus years later, but if you're still around and reading this, that comic is by Chuck Asay, who draws right-leaning political cartoons for the Denver Gazette. You can catch more of his... material... on Cagle's political cartoon site.
http://www.cagle.com/
His e-mail address/contact info is also on there.
If you don't want to be seen as a hate-monger or bigot, then don't engage in hate-mongering or bigotry, stupid. What purpose can it possibly serve for you, to prohibit people from marrying their significant other?
Let's see, you are contributing funds to a campaign whose sole purpose is to restrict access to services, in this case legal protections, that you claim for yourself. For those people to claim said protections takes absolutely nothing away from you or anyone else. Therefore your motivation for doing so seems to be "I just don't think they should have what I have."
That is a literal definition of bigotry. By supporting bigotry you are, again by definition, a bigot. If you don't like being called a bigot you can a) find a legally valid reason to support your cause or b) stop doing what you are doing or c) learn to live with being a bigot.
Choose wisely
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