Bearing in mind that Conan was an Aryan barbarian it beggars belief why a previously largely unknown Hawaiian Red Indian model called Jason Momoa was allowed to play the part! It beggars belief!
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The first Conan film ie renown for its opening narration:
"Between the time when the oceans drank Atlantis, and the rise of the sons of Aryas, there was an age undreamed of. And onto this, Conan, destined to wear the jeweled crown of Aquilonia upon a troubled brow. It is I, his chronicler, who alone can tell thee of his saga. Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!"
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This narration for me marks the whole tone of the film, a titanic struggle between the Aryan barbarian Uebermensch and the negroid Thulsa Doom, the leader of the serpent cult. Conan`s final triumph and revenge comes with the decapitation of Doom at the end of the film.
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Sumerian, not Aryan.
Idiot.
Conan the Cimmerian, a fictional character created in 1932 by Robert E. Howard, a depressive racist with serious mommy issues (he killed himself when his mom's doctor informed him she was dying). Most Howard scholars agree Conan was based on the Celts, not the Aryans. And the word is spelled "ubermensch".
And I like the second film, you moron.
Before you come along and start kicking up a stink about how we cut bits out of your post, Wotans Krieger, bear in mind that none of us care what studio made the Red Sonja film. This page is "Racists Say the Darnedest Things", not "Racists Discuss the Finer Points of Film Production".
Quote by anonymous abusive coward:
"Sumerian, not Aryan.
Idiot."
It is you that are the "idiot" for if you were familiar with the writings of RE Howard on the Hyborian Age you would know that Conan is a CIMMERIAN, not a "Sumerian" and thus an Aryan.
Quote from anonymous abusive coward:
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Conan the Cimmerian, a fictional character created in 1932 by Robert E. Howard, a depressive racist with serious mommy issues (he killed himself when his mom's doctor informed him she was dying). Most Howard scholars agree Conan was based on the Celts, not the Aryans. And the word is spelled "ubermensch".
The word is Uebermensch as the `u` is modified with an umlaut.On an English keyboard this may be represented by `ue`. Also the Celts were Aryans.
Hmm, you arrived awfully quickly after this was posted, WK.
I can just picture you sitting at your computer, eagerly checking your site stats in the hopes of having been quoted on FSTDT again.
Dear god, what is that horrific stench...? Smells like a wanna-be Viking who seriously needs to reconsider his approach to personal hygiene...
Still, I guess not bothering about hygiene is small potatoes next to not knowing that the Aryan people never made it as far as Ireland in the first place...
Also the Celts were Aryans.
Think of the typical South Asian person... THEY ARE THE ARYANS YOU WORSHIP! (he's a funny one... can we keep him?)
How can Conan be Aryan when the Hyborian age took place long before Aryans existed?
You said it right there in your quote- "between the time when the oceans drank Atlantis, and the rise of the sons of Aryas". Between- as in after the former, before the latter.
So basically he's whining that the remake has fewer racial problems than the original. The horror.
Also, methinks that Jones was cast in the original, not to make a racial point about the evils of blacks, but because Jones makes an awesome villain.
@1594834
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Sumerian? What? Did you even read the original stories, OR watch the fucking movies? Or hell even that shitty Dark Horse comic. Even if you didn't, what about the character would come off as even remotely Sumerian?
Conan is Cimmerian. CIMmerian. Although granted not the actual historical Black Sea Cimmerians, but rather some sort of black-haired pre-Ice-Age proto-Celts whose name is based on a folk etymology of Cymru. Seriously, Sumerians? What the fuck is wrong with you?
The only problem here is that he seems to think REH's racism wasn't a bad thing. That and the fact that this was a few thousand years before the Aryans, so Conan couldn't have been one of those. Well actually, the spread of the Hyborians (which Conan wasn't ) did have some parallels to the original Indo-Aryan conquests, and there were some sort-of-Aryans (as in Indo-Aryans), but they were called Vendhyans and Afghulis.
Hi Wulf Ingessunu or is it Ingesunnu
Still making up "Aryan" histories I see.
"How's the bin emptying going?"
Say hello to Clive for me.
Loser.
@ Richard Wise
That'd be hilarious to watch though.
Just a bunch of hicks standing around and drooling, while attempting to pretend they even understood there was such a thing as film production.
Why? Maybe because Momoa looks more like the comic book depiction than Ahnuld ever did. I recall that the original Conan stories had Conan with blue eyes, but I don't recall his hair color, because he was always covered with armor and/or smeared over with blood.
Why don't you go make a list of all the movies where Jews played goyim and have a stroke?
Google image search -
I love how much of a worthless braindead asshat you are Wotans Spaymacher.
Jason Momoa largely unknown? The man played the pivotal role of Khal Drogo in the first season of one of the most popular television series ever made. Before that he played a main character in four out of five seasons of Stargate Atlantis, another very popular show.
The man is only 'unknown' if you don't pay attention to fantasy and sci-fi television and film, and if you went to see Conan The Barbarian, chances are you are familiar with these genres.
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Again "opinions are like arseholes[to quote Clint Eastwood]-everyone`s got one!"
"Richard Wise
Hmm, you arrived awfully quickly after this was posted, WK.
I can just picture you sitting at your computer, eagerly checking your site stats in the hopes of having been quoted on FSTDT again."
Instead of posting crap on a crap site like this shouldn`t you be with your fellow `chosen` in the synagogue worshiping your psychotic semitic desert tribal `god`?
"Adey
Hi Wulf Ingessunu or is it Ingesunnu
Still making up "Aryan" histories I see.
"How's the bin emptying going?"
Say hello to Clive for me.
Loser."
Wrong Wulf. If I were you I would watch and wash my mouth. It looks a bit potty stained in there. Perhaps you visit the same synagogue as Rabbi Wise here?
"Cloning Blues
So basically he's whining that the remake has fewer racial problems than the original. The horror.
Also, methinks that Jones was cast in the original, not to make a racial point about the evils of blacks, but because Jones makes an awesome villain."
I agree negroes do have their places and that was a part tailor made for a negro. What isn`t tailor made for a negro or an Hawaiian is the part of Conan.
@WK
You're indeed fortunate I decided to drop by and caught your...thoughts, because normally I could give two shits what assclowns have to say about my postings, but in your case...
So uebermensch is the correct spelling of übermensch because you only have an English language keyboard? OK. How about next time you stick to words you can correctly type.
As for Celts being Aryans, nope. Celts were originally part of the Hallsat Culture from Austria, who migrated to France, England, Ireland, Portugal, Spain and Scotland.
The Aryans? They came from India and the rest seems to be Nazi wish-fulfillment.
So I guess you agree with the rest of my post that Bob Howard was a depressive momma's boy. I always thought he wrote Conan as means of advertising what he was looking for in a husband.
Where is Aldo Raine when you need him?
One racist Wulf is much the same as another. So I got the two twats mixed up, so what.
Making shit up to suit your Hitler-worship is still making shit up.
moron.
You do know that "Wise" is an Anglo-Saxon surname, right, Wotans? I'm afraid you'll have to share a gene pool with me - I'm one of those Aryans you're so keen on ;)
You'll be pleased to know that I don't worship a genocidal desert god. However, I certainly don't worship any self-mutilators, either - like the lunatic god who poked his eye out, impaled himself on a tree and (according to you, at least) finally blew his brains out in 1945.
"Richard Wise
We both know that you are jewish and you have hinted as much in your previous posts. Your surname was originally "Weiss" until your family fled from Germany and later anglicised it to a more acceptable "Wise". Jews were also around even in late Anglo-Saxon and Anglo-Norman times in England.
Rabbi Richard Weiss
"You'll be pleased to know that I don't worship a genocidal desert god. However, I certainly don't worship any self-mutilators, either - like the lunatic god who poked his eye out, impaled himself on a tree and (according to you, at least) finally blew his brains out in 1945."
No real Aryan would disparage his pre-xtian heritage even if he were not a follower of the old Gods. Your ethnicity shows through every post that you make and accounts for your hatred of all things Aryan.
@WK
Sorry, but you're still so wrong. Most historians believe the Aryans were originally from northern India and Iran. Still do. The only disagreement is from those who believe Aryans were simply from the same language group or work group. You know, like if we called you Woton Shitshovler.
Your fugly, effeminate, borderline retarded messiah called his 'master race' Aryans because he liked how it sounded. His actual knowledge of the subject matter was nil so he eventually put together a propaganda group that realized they could cash in by saying absolutely anything they wanted as long as the Fuckhead of State approved and anyone with a difference of opinion and actual facts on their side got hammered by the Reich.
You carry on that proud tradition of telling blatantly obvious lies but haven't got the benefit of the state backing it up with secret police and banned reading lists.
I see the great unwashed Viking wannabe has responded to me... and apparently he knows so much more about my own ethnic history than I do.
Having engaged my brain (unlike a certain abusive coward who doesn't realise that anyone could use the two letters he's used, so it's not like he isn't anonymous...) and done some (more) research, it appears that his claim that Eire and Iran share the same root word is utter bollocks. The word that lead to "Iran" was utterly different from the word that lead to "Eire"... but that's not something this person would like to know about, as it contradicts his fantasy.
Further contradicting this fantasy is the fact that the word that lead to "Iran" is literally "Land of the Ayrans"... so the ethnic population of Iran (which has remained as it was for a few thousand years) are the TRUE Ayrans... and certainly not the "white superman" of certain fantasies.
Ain't reality a bitch?
"largely unknown Hawaiian Red Indian model called Jason Momoa"
@WK: Germanicisms might change in orthography and pronounciation. Ubermensch is correct in English.
WK: "No real Aryan would disparage his pre-xtian heritage even if he were not a follower of the old Gods."
Got any evidence to back this claim up? Done any surveys? I'd have thought that Europeans who are willing to mock Woden would outnumber Europeans who worship him. After all, I've known plenty of outspoken atheists - and very few Wodenists.
Also, what do you make of this fellow? Is he Jewish, as well?
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...whining over a conan the barbarian film as if it was high epic literature? seriously? is that what "aryan" culture and mythology's reduced itself to, nowadays?
JRR Tolkien's estate and descendants finally got it through your armor-plated bigoted skulls that you're not worth their keeping you in the fandom, did they?
somebody pass me the popcorn; this is obviously the "dumb and dumber teach themselves to read from old pulp comics found underneath their trailer" show.
So the racist wanker doesn't like being called out for his ridiculous bullshit.
Boo-hoo cry me a river.
According to my DNA analysis I have more right to being a Viking than you do.
Where's Clive got to, dustbin man?
@WK:
"We both know that you are jewish and you have hinted as much in your previous posts. Your surname was originally "Weiss" until your family fled from Germany and later anglicised it to a more acceptable "Wise". Jews were also around even in late Anglo-Saxon and Anglo-Norman times in England."
<"Aryans came from India?" You are over 100 years behind with your Indo-European research. That non-starter of a theory was abandoned a long time ago and didn`t have much credence even then.>Fatherland that statement would somehow hold up, but in the real world what you call "Aryan" doesn't exist, there it is called Germanic. Aryan, as sparsely used today would refer to the Indo-Iranian peoples but mostly their languages.
Apparently, the Morons identify with the Aryans. Although, I'm not certain why the Morons are so fascinated by the Indo-Iranians that inhabited parts of what is now modern day Iran, Afghanistan and India?
Another oddity about the Morons is that they consider stories featuring the barbarian characters of pulp fiction as examples of high literature. Puzzling indeed?
However, the Morons are sometimes quite humorous, in the amusing way that low-hanging fruit often is, so maybe we should just humour them a little.
Much as you talk about Aryans, when I saw a picture of Wotans Krieger, he did not look blond, nor muscular, nor blue eyed.
Neo-Nazis are a pack of bitter, disgusting hypocrites who are just angry that they're all fat losers who have left the better portions of their youth behind.
They yearn for the old times when their "race" was dominant, oblivious to the fact that such will never occur again - and rightfully.
Wotan's Stinker, watch the world go by.
@WK
I'd really love to watch you tell James Earl Jones that black people are inferior and "have their place". He's an old man now, but you know what? I'm willing to bet he'd still kick your ass.
As for the nonesense about Momoa's casting, he was fine. The movie wasn't very good, but it had nothing to do with him, and everything to do with the fact that Conan wasn't a brilliant series in the first place.
Finally, I think that the deity Odin, as portrayed in most Norse myth, would be disappointed in you. He was a god of war, but also of wisdom, and frankly, you've demonstrated all the brainpower of a ten year old. One would think a follower of Odin would seek new knowledge, but you just cling to old, outdated theories, with no bearing on reality as we know it. You're as big a failure as a pagan as you are as a human being.
When the Stinky Stromboli Viking shows up, you can expect LONGSHIPS of FUN!
I actually get a kick out of this particular oft-quoted maniac. I highly look forward to a hilarious, gut-busting, comedic gem from Wotan's Kreiger/WK/Stinky Viking/Stinky Stromboli/Smelly Viking/The Dweller In His Parent's Basement!
To the anonymous coward of post number 1595350,
I can assure you that I am blue-eyed. If you care to exercise the miniscule brain that your sow of a mother gave you you would see that I was wearing dark glasses in the photograph!
Wow... pot calling the kettle black here... the moment he can't refute things, he goes into the final pathetic refuge of the incompetent abusive coward.
He's gone and pulled an Internet Tough Guy on us...
Come and get me.
@WK
Run along boy before I lose my temper with you.
Not CB, but I dare you to do something. To him, to me, to anyone. I dare you. No, I double dare you. I would love to see you leave the safety of your mother's basement to try to make good on your childish, empty threats, you pathetic autist.
@WK
So...no repsonse to my critique of your "religious beliefs", huh? Just a rant about how I can't write--which is funny coming from you--and accusations of being a basement dweller--even funnier coming from you--and finally the claim that I must be mixed race, which a) wouldn't be an insult, and b) becomes the funniest thing of all given my actual ancestry. I'm English, Scottish, and Norweigian you moron. Blond hair, blue eyes, and no respect for your imbecilic beliefs.
In any case, I'll assume from your lack of a response that you've conceded the point: Momoa's casting was fine, James Earl Jones would kick your ass, and Odin would be embarassed by you.
Only the Aryan must suffer such abuse and sacrilege. If another character from any other race were to be portrayed by an Aryan there would be accusations of `racism`.
Stinky, where have you been? It's downright common for Hollywood to use Caucasian actors to represent characters who are another race. Hell, sometimes they adapt stories from other media where characters are specified as one race and cast Caucasians anyway. Hell, sometimes they adapt the stories of real-life people who are another ethnicity and cast a white person in the role.
Sounds like someone got turned down for the part of playing Conan to me....
If another character from any other race were to be portrayed by an Aryan there would be accusations of `racism`.
Wow, you really have no clue, do you.
Just from the top of my head and without looking it up:
The Lone Ranger, Johnny Depp as Comanche (and before that in the movie The Brave)
Fucking John Wayne as Dschingis Khan !
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It seems that most people just don’t give a damn about race, because on the other hand you have stuff like
Idris Elba playing the Norse god Heimdall in Thor
So it seems you are wrong, again. I wish I could say that I am surprised.
@Kuno
To be fair, a number of those are from a different era, when people were much less concerned about racism in the media. And Ben Kingsley is half Indian (his birth name is Krishna Pandit Bhanji), so I'd say that him playing Gandhi was reasonable enough.
I would like to add another name to your list, though: Taylor Lautner as Jacob Black in the Twilight films.
The thing that has always made me laugh about WK is that the dude clearly doesn't know any German beyond the absolute basics, yet he keeps on trying. Bless his little heart. :D
Es wäre vielleicht besser gewesen, das vorangehende auf Deutsch zu schreiben, aber ich wollte dass unser kleiner Glatzkopf es auch verstehen wird. :P
@Spuki: Oh I have no doubt about his capability of understanding it. :D I'm guessing that he'll run it through Google Translate or something, and hilarity ensues.
Also, I'm quite aware of the fact that by using the Second Conditional in the German sentence I leave myself open to accusations of being a grammar hipster. Let's just say that I like sounding like I'm writing during the early 20th century. ;)
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