Regarding some scientific evidence against the speed of light, from what i remember when i studied science a while back i was told that light can not travel through a vaccum (as sound cant). Therefore i have no idea why people believe starlight travels through space. Astronomers knew this for many years which is why they were searching for some kind of aether.
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Your studies "a while back" must have been a few hundred years ago, as no astronomer has believed light cannot travel through a vaccum for centuries. Try reading a recent science book, perhaps one that was printed with movable type instead of handwritten by monks.
scientific evidence against the speed of light
Ah, the so-called zero set, the empty set, null and void.
@UHM
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Someone beat me to it.
Sound can't travel through a vacuum because it is a vibrational wave and so it needs some medium capable of vibrating to travel through. Light is both a particle and a wave, but because it's a particle it doesn't need a medium to travel through.
Seriously, explain right now how you can see stars.
>from what i remember when i studied science a while back i was told that light can not travel through a vacuum
WOW!
You "studied science" a while back? I'm sorry the third grade doesn't count and I have a hard time believing you even did that.
For fuck's sake Cass, Google "photon" already and stop being so willfully ignorant. It's beyond embarrassing even by fundie standards.
Well, knowing that c=0 puts Einstein's Theories of Relativity into a new perspective, doesn't it? For both Al and Cass to be right, the universe must not exist, and since it does, one of them must be mistaken... But who?
@Osiris: Not relevant. Cass here thinks we see things by shooting magic eyebeams out of our heads, not by the eye absorbing light. So we're quite capable of seeing thhings through a vacuum, or even in the complete absence of light, I guess.
when i studied science a while back
One doesn't study "science".
Assuming you mean narural science, one studies physics, or chemistry, or biology, or whatever, usually with a more specifically defined specialization.
Or do you mean so-called "creation science"? They don't differentiate, they just make up goofy crap as they go along.
No, you dumb shit, that applies *only* to sound. You can't *see* a light beam in a vacuum, but it travels through vacuum, all the same... No, it's too late to acquaint you with the simplest physics (including that "beam" is an oversimplification)
Cassiturdhead, here's a simple experiment for you to try.
Take a flashlight, switch it on and shine it into your left ear. You will notice that the light shines out of your right ear, even though your skull contains a perfect vacuum.
Oh and watching Star Trek isn't the same as 'Studying Science'.
Aether was a concept developed back in the times of the pre-Socratic philosophers, along with the "four elements" of earth, air, water and fire. It was adopted by Aristotle, et al., the authorities cited by the scholars and learned of the Middle Ages, until such time when science was further developed. Speaking of times, get with the times.
Assuming for the moment this isn't a Poe, I find the saddest thing of all is not his/her failure to remember anything from school days, but, given the fact that they obviously have access to the internet, their failure to even do a simple google before posting such nonsense.
If light can't travel through a vacuum, then I guess the sun, moon, and stars are all traveling through our atmosphere.
Or maybe Cass thinks that light doesn't travel through a vacuum because when you look down the hose it's dark in there.
@LAchlan
Right, so why's it bright in the daytime, I'd love to hear your opinions on that. Is it that our eyebeams are stronger when we just wake up and get weaker after dinner?
Obviously, the reason it's brighter during the day is because more people are awake so more light is coming from more eyes. At night when people close their eyes to sleep, it gets darker. Duh.
when i studied science a while back...
Yes, planting a bean in a Dixie cup counts as "studying science" in a way...but then most of us continued our education past the age of six.
Starlight, star bright, grant the wish I wish tonight. I wish I may, I wish I might, not have to put up with this kind of nonsense.
I do believe Cassiterides is confusing a VACUUM with a lack of a MEDIUM.
At the opening of the 20th century, it was believed that no waves -- including light waves -- could propagate unless there was some medium present that could "do the waving." The medium that sound travels through is air (or water, or solids). The medium that ocean waves travel through is the surface of the ocean. Therefore, there "had" to be some medium that carried light. They called this hypothetical medium "the luminiferous aether."
No one, however, thought that the aether was a meterial medium like air. A perfect vacuum could still (according to this hypothesis) be permeated by aether, whatever it was that aether actually "was."
The Michaelson-Morley experiment was the first of many death blows to the aether hypothesis. Incidentally, according to my high school physics teacher, a Japanese theoretical physicist in the early 20th century proved (mathematically, probably using special relativity) that you don't need an aether for light to be able to propagate.
light can not travel through a vaccum
Er, no. Light can indeed travel through a vacuum. You are either misremembering or lying.
My dear Cassiterides, however did you reach this era from the scientific laboratories of the 19th century? Furthermore, how did you divine the proper method of using what we moderns call the "Inter-Net"? Finally, what is it that you are doing in such a place as this forum - did Mr. Darwin insult you once? Such a personage as yourself should doubtless be engaged in more dignified "Inter-Net" pursuits, such as trawling the great "On-Lime" emporia of "E's Bay" and the List of Craig for moustache wax.
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