[Background: this man considers Hitler to have been a "German Avatar" of the god Woden]
Like Tolkien Wilhelm Richard Wagner was a prophet of his generation and of his people. Both drew upon the ancient mythological lore of the Germanic peoples but expressed this in different ways: Tolkien through his written work and Wagner through both his music dramas[vulgarly called `operas`] and his written works which he is less well known for. Both projected the symbol of a ring, a golden ring. This is a subject which I hope to return to elaborate on in a future article.
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The end of Aryan man draws nigh and only through his rejection of the Ring and all that it symbolises can he hope to survive. His rejection of the One Who Came Back, who was capable of instituting a new Golden Age, a Satya Yuga they rejected out of desire for gold and fear of the international tribe who runs the world`s banks. The forces of decay, headed by the USA and the UK betrayed their own race and are now suffering the consequences. Aryan Americans are now a minority in their own country and the UK is heading the same way. This is the karma which is now being reaped by those who opposed German Avatar.
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JRR Tolkien, devout Roman Catholic, on his and Wagner's Rings:
"Both rings are round, and there the resemblance ceases."
JRR Tolkien, war veteran, on Adolf Hitler:
"Ruddy little ignoramus."
Now kindly fuck off.
While Wagner had expressed very antisemitic ideas, Tolkien was an Anti-Nazi who thought Hitler had "ruin[ed], pervert[ed], misappli[ed], and [made] for ever accursed, that noble northern spirit".
And invoking the Dharmic notions of "karma", "avatar" and "Satya Yuga" is weird from a Germanic supremacist.
Sadly the Niebelungenlied, great as it is, is only about 1000 years old and talks about fictional events about 1500 years in the past.
Not quite recent enough for "true" Germanic origin.
@fishtank
Isn't that the one with the warrior chick who the main character uses the invisibility cloak (IIRC) to help his friend defeat, rape, and in doing so, rob her of her virginity-fueled powers, her ring, and her belt, and utterly break her spirit so that she becomes a proper obedient wife?
Considering how much flak the OT gets for being misogynistic and praising rapists, I'm surprised to see the Nibelungenlied praised here.
Again, I lived in Germany and loved the country and the people.
In Deutsch: du bist ein raschist Arschloch.
Jeez, more of this guy's garbage. It's like the work of some incredibly twisted English teacher, searching for meaning and metaphor where there isn't any.
Also, Wagner could not possibly be more overrated.
@Cloning Blues
Overrated perhaps, but if so, then so is all classical music of any value between about 1890 and 1960. Wagner was personally vile, but without him modern music, as such, would not exist.
So Tolkien's letters where he openly decries Nazi-ism, anti-Semitism, Hitler personally, combined with the fact that he was devout Roman Catholic mean nothing?
Or that the reason Wagner and Tolkien's work share similarities is because they both drew upon the same types of source material? Which, being Old Norse/Scandinavian mythology (and Old English/Anglo-Saxon works and Western European medieval stories in Tolkien's case) involves several major themes and ideas found across the vast majority of the corpus, thus explaining several obvious similarities.
Oh, and said sources for these 'Germanic' stories are primarily found only in Icelandic renditions written by Christians in the C12thAD. Eight hundred years is hardly ancient.
Admittedly, the stories are still Germanic, both linguistically speaking, and in their ultimate origins.
As for the distinction between 'opera' and 'music drama', it exists because Wagner sought to synthesise several types of art (music, drama, poetry and more) into one great work; in doing so music because a tool to heighten the *drama* of the piece, whereas in 'pure' opera, the music was the centre of the work. So really, you're just quibbling about a very slight distinction there.
And because I can: ''Like Tolkien Wilhelm Richard Wagner'' should be "Like Tolkien, Wilhelm etc." to avoid confusion.
Aryan Americans are now a minority in their own country and the UK is heading the same way
Why is this news? Of COURSE Northern Indians/Central Asians are going to be minorities in the USA & UK, you goofus!
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With all your "Aryan" babble, I'd highly doubt you'd count these folks as one of your own. Right, Mr. Stinky Stromboli.
@Mech610
YOUR WISH IS MY COMMAND!
(In a letter to pro-Nazi publisher Rütten & Loening, dated July 25, 1938)
Thank you for your letter. I regret that I am not clear as to what you intend by arisch. I am not of Aryan extraction: that is Indo-Iranian; as far as I am aware none of my ancestors spoke Hindustani, Persian, Gypsy, or any related dialects. But if I am to understand that you are enquiring whether I am of Jewish origin, I can only reply that I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that gifted people. My great-great-grandfather came to England in the eighteenth century from Germany: the main part of my descent is therefore purely English, and I am an English subject - which should be sufficient. I have been accustomed, nonetheless, to regard my German name with pride, and continued to do so throughout the period of the late regrettable war, in which I served in the English army. I cannot, however, forbear to comment that if impertinent and irrelevant inquiries of this sort are to become the rule in matters of literature, then the time is not far distant when a German name will no longer be a source of pride.
Your enquiry is doubtless made in order to comply with the laws of your own country, but that this should be held to apply to the subjects of another state would be improper, even if it had (as it has not) any bearing whatsoever on the merits of my work or its sustainability for publication, of which you appear to have satisfied yourselves without reference to my Abstammung.
Thank you, Mr. Tolken! You get a zillion yummy cookies, courtesy of the Juliet Gordon Low bunch, from beyond the grave!....
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Enjoy your Heavenly afterlife cookie repast, Mr. Tolken.
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