[On Francesca Simon’s book The Lost Gods, a children's comedy novel about Woden]
The Independent newspaper has recently(27/10/13) referred to one of my book reviews to be found on Amazon UK without giving me an opportunity to respond:
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My readers should note that if I had authored a book lampooning Allah, Jesus Christ or Yahweh, the ancestral god of the Jewish-American author, I would have been branded by the `liberal` establishment, muslim and jewish rights organisations and churches as being an infidel, anti-semite or anti-christ but anything that ridicules the ancestral Gods of the native English in England for the sake of comedy and selling books is fair game to these `liberals`.
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The Independent should do a little research and get upto date with the religious make up of England today. Wodenism/Odinism/Wotanism is the fastest growing religion in northern Europe amongst Germanic people. If it is not acceptable to take the piss out of Yahweh/Allah or Jesus Christ without mild censure at the very least occurring then they should afford the same considerations to followers of Woden!
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Usually conservatives think attacks on Gobs are condoned by liberals.
But this is Stinky here, what else could we expect? [/@SpukiKitty ]
If it is not acceptable to take the piss out of Yahweh/Allah or Jesus Christ without mild censure at the very least occurring then they should afford the same considerations to followers of Woden!
People take the piss out of the Abrahamic religions all the time. Where have you been?
And if you are secure in what you believe you need to have a thicker skin.
Those people branding others as infidels, anti-semite or anti-christ are people who are pro-the-particular-god-in-question. If you're angry at people ridiculing Aesir gods, you have to do the protesting yourself! No-one is going to protest on your behalf, silly.
If Aesir/Wotanism is the fastes growing religion in Northern Europe, it's probably because atheism is growing even faster, and that is not a religion.
Relax shithead, I promise I'll take the Mickey out of all of you idiots. Not equally, of course. You're not only addicted to woo, you're also a racist fuckstick.
Sure, because there are no books or movies or TV series or comics that feature angels or demons or even god himself from the Jewish/Christian/Muslim mythology. I can’t think of even one such work. Well, aside from
Supernatural
Always
The Gospel according to Biff
Hellblazer
Constantine
RIPD
A Life Less Ordinary
The DC universe
The Marvel universe
Legion
The God’s Army franchise (aka The Prophecy)
Mel Brooks’ History of The World (Part 1)
Preacher (Holy shit, Preacher!)
Sandman (and its spin-off, Lucifer)
Neverwhere
Bruce and Evan Almighty
Dogma
and that’s just from the top of my head in no particular order.
@Jewnior Spokesman:
fastest growing religion is a very vague term. If WK was alone and could convince one other of the hygienically impaired, his religion would grow 100%.
PS: Shit, how could I forget Battle Pope!
This guy is nuts, as always...
Although, I would really like to see, for once, a good film or TV series about Norse mythology. Good characters, whacky situations and kick-ass actions. Way better than the countless and gutless versions of the bible.
"...should do a little research..."
Go pick up your copy of the Poetic Edda. Read Lokasenna . Then come back and tell us all about how mocking the gods is wrong. Be sure to include a justification for a poet of the times to mock the gods, but it's not allowed now.
@Dr. Razark:
I wouldn’t be surprised if WK has the same attitude towards the Edda as our Christian fundie friends have towards the bible, i.e. never having really read it, but has strong opinions about the stuff he thinks is in there.
Titania
"First, they're not England's native gods. Second, I don't think it would be the liberal establishment that would be doing the branding."
England is the creation of the English tribes from Germania. Perhaps we should call England `New England`.The Gods Woden, Thunor, Tiw et al are native to the native English and thus are England`s native Gods.
John_in_Oz
"Relax shithead, I promise I'll take the Mickey out of all of you idiots. Not equally, of course. You're not only addicted to woo, you're also a racist fuckstick."
How`s your Grandsister?
Jewboy
"Bollocks. I bet there's 10 x as many converts to Islam among 'Germanic' people as there are nutbag Wodenists."
Did you just pull that `fact` out of your arse, Solomon?
Dr. Razark
""...should do a little research..."
Go pick up your copy of the Poetic Edda. Read Lokasenna. Then come back and tell us all about how mocking the gods is wrong. Be sure to include a justification for a poet of the times to mock the gods, but it's not allowed now. "
Loki fucked a horse as well; are you advocating we should do that?
@Anonymous poster
"Loki fucked a horse as well; are you advocating we should do that?"
Loki did no such thing. Loki, the horse, and the eight-legged offspring were not real.
A poet also penned mocking lines about the gods in his poem. Much the same as a poet that once wrote about a fictional being named Loki. The difference is that poets and the things they write actually exist. The things they write about don't need to exist.
The "liberal" establishment would then be in a state of continued outrage at the daily mocking of all various Gods; The Independent would contain little else. As it is, most mockery passes unnoticed unless met with threats of violence from fundamentalists.
As for "fastest growing religion," I think that our hygiene-deficient OP, if he could back the claim up with actual figures, would point to percentages. After all, if Religion A increases from 200 to 400 followers, that's growth of 100%; if Religion B grows from 2m to 2.2m is just 10%, even though Religion B attracted a thousand times as many followers. Furthermore, census data in many countries does not distinguish between Pagan groups.
@ #1644382
Hello, Stinky.
Kuno, what about Charmed? Sure on the surface it's about wiccans, but some of it has Christiab mythology, such as:
Angelic protectors ("whitelighters")
Heaven ("up there")
Hell ("the underworld")
Demons ("demons")
Satan ("The Source of All Evil" although it's more of a title in the hierarchy of the underworld)
I probably watch that show too much for a grown man
@WK:
Aww, no love for me? You hurt me.
@kuribo:
I must admit, I have never seen a complete episode of Charmed. That list was really just from the top of my head. Basically, I just went mentally through my shelves at home. If I would do it literally, the list would at least be twice or thrice as long.
Things to add to the list:
Charmed
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Wormwood
@Dr. Razark:
Loki did no such thing. Loki, the horse, and the eight-legged offspring were not real.
And even within the fiction, wasn’t Loki the one who got fucked by a horse?
@1644379: Let's first make sure other Wotanists/Asatru (and I mean beyond just your particular sect) are as incensed as you are, whether they're in England or Germany. (And let's not get into how you seem to overvalorize strength in general. Weakness is not evil, do we have an understanding?! How can it be, when no one chooses whether they're strong or weak?)
My readers should note that if I had authored a book lampooning Allah, Jesus Christ or Yahweh...
What do you mean, not acceptable? We do it all the time. Jesus riding dinosaurs in coloring books, a comic where Jesus jumps down off the cross and beats the shit out of the Roman pantheon, Preacher, anything ever written by Jack Chick, and that's just literature.
For movies with terribly unflattering or parodic interpretations of mainstream religion there's biblical snuff film and box office phenomenon Passion of The Christ, Life of Brian, The DaVinci Code, innumerable depictions of kiddy diddling Catholic priests and over-eager Islamic zealots freaking out and suicide bombing someone that shows too much ankle.
Also the fastest growing religion in Britain according to statistics and your own fearmongering is Islam. Not one thing you just said was remotely true.
My readers should note that if I had authored a book lampooning Allah, Jesus Christ or Yahweh, the ancestral god of the Jewish-American author, I would have been branded by the `liberal` establishment, muslim and jewish rights organisations and churches as being an infidel, anti-semite or anti-christ
Philip Pullman wrote a series of children's books, His Dark Materials , in which the main characters kill the Judeo-Christian God, who is the primary antagonist of the story.
I don't remember any significant backlash from liberals. Many religious people objected, yes, but not "the liberal establishment".
Maybe the lack of a backlash over this book is simply because the majority of heathens are not as easily offended as you are, Wotans Krieger. Ever considered that possibility?
cdcdrr
"Odin is native to Scandinavia and Germany, not the British islands. Tell your god to go back where he came from! "
You`re a fucking moron. Do some research-the Cult of Wodan began amongst the southern Germanics,ie the Germans and spread NORTH into Scandinavia. The English tribes took their cult with them when they colonised England but I don`t expect a half brained yankie twat like you to know that.
Here's what I have to say about Woden:
So you went and poked out your eye - oooh!
So you hanged yourself on a tree - oooh!
When Ragnarok comes you'll die,
Here's a little biscuit from me!
[Again, apologies to the Jerry Springer Opera]
Okay, I did some research into the religious make-up of England today.
According to the most recent census results for England and Wales, 56,620 people identify themselves as Pagan, and 1,958 as Heathen.
Taken together, that's less than 0.2% of the population of England.
@Kuno:
And even within the fiction, wasn’t Loki the one who got fucked by a horse?
Loki was the active party in that seduction, even if he wasn't the penetrating one.
Don't worry, honey, your religion is just as stupid as everyone else's. (Pat, pat) Now go out and play Loki and the Smurfs with your little pals....
Oh, no response to my comment from Stinky! As @SpukiKitty once said , "C'MON STINKY! GIVE US A SHOW!"
@1644543 (obviously Woden's Cleaner)
How about we send you over to Nürnberg?
@Anonymous fucker that we all know is w.k.
No one will ever take you seriously, partly because you don't bathe...but also because you are a douchebag
Any thread where Wotan's Krieger shows up is guaranteed to be hilarious.
If only the Independent had cited your Amazon reviews about concerns with your pink DVD player, your collection of manly rings and pendants, and thoughts on your favourite Elvis movies, eh?
the ancestral Gods of the native English in England
Wotan isn't English, he came from Saxony with the rest of the English. The true gods of olde England were closer to the Welsh gods, and then the Anglo-Saxons came.
@TimeToTurn:
If only the Independent had cited your Amazon reviews about concerns with your pink DVD player, your collection of manly rings and pendants, and thoughts on your favourite Elvis movies, eh?
Don’t forget the meat tenderizer he bought for his rituals!
After all, two movies have already been released - three, if you count the Avengers movie. So, it must be true.
@WK:
England is the creation of the English tribes from Germania.
So the English are only immigrants.
The Gods Woden, Thunor, Tiw et al are native to the native English and thus are England`s native Gods.
But you just said that the English aren’t native to England, and therefore their gods cannot be England’s native gods.
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cdcdrr
"Odin is native to Scandinavia and Germany, not the British islands. Tell your god to go back where he came from! "
You`re a fucking moron. Do some research-the Cult of Wodan began amongst the southern Germanics,ie the Germans and spread NORTH into Scandinavia. The English tribes took their cult with them when they colonised England but I don`t expect a half brained yankie twat like you to know that.
How exactly is what you wrote different than what cdcdrr wrote?
Really Wotan's Feigling? You run like a bitch from intellectually based challenges, refuse to even speak directly to Spukikitty because it humiliates you that a woman can argue circles around you, and even your threats involve hiding behind other people. Now you're too pathetic to even identify yourself when you wade into the pool and piss everywhere?
C'MON STINKY BABY GOO GOO! YOU SAY YOU'RE A MIGHTY WARRIOR! SHOW IT!
What? Afraid of a Valkyrie like me? Aren't they part of your religion? Strong, mighty female warriors! From what I've heard, Freya was pretty awesome & assertive, herself! C'mon spineless micro-dicked wimpy weakling!
D'aaaaaaaaaawwwwwww Widdle Baby Stinky Goo Goo Boy gone back to his Stinky cwibby to go sweepies?!
Well! It's settled, Stinky is weak little wimp who couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag! You are a disgrace to the Great Asartu Gods, for your ethnic-bigotry, sexism, cowardice, weakness & stinkiness!
W.K., you are no "warrior." You are a coward, and your comments & actions prove it. You are too cowardly to even post your name (or internet handle), too fearful to respond to the intellectually-superior SpukiKitty because *gasp!* she's a female, and you're a racist bigot - which is one of the most cowardly traits a person can have.
You like to pretend you're some big, manly warrior when you're safe behind the anonymity of the internet, but I guarantee that if you had to fight an actual battle in person, you'd wet yourself & run away crying.
You're a coward, and an immature loser. And unless you severely change your ways, and see a therapist ffs, you will always be a coward & a loser. And one day, you will die as you lived: whimpering, unloved, and unimportant.
So grow the fuck up, get your head out of your ass, and learn how to be a decent human being. Otherwise, feel secure in the fact that everyone here - and anywhere else your pathetic little history revisionist babble is posted - is laughing at you.
This is actually sort of true. Anti-Christian art and literature, even if it is otherwise culturally condoned (ie no cursing, violence, or sexually explicit stuff) is pretty censored, while stuff against other religions is not so much. He is really exaggerating things though. It's not really a funny or WTF quote.
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