Was the recovery a miracle? Perhaps. Then again, perhaps it wasn’t. Only God knows. The fact is that we have no idea what happened. However, one thing we do know is that answered or unanswered prayer has nothing to do with God’s existence. Let me explain. My wife has a Dodge Caravan. Let’s say it has a problem. What would be my intellectual capacity if I concluded that it had no manufacturer simply because I couldn’t contact them about the dilemma? The fact of their existence has nothing to do with whether or not they return my calls.
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Except that humans are not designed.
And, what is the point of prayer again? Are you saying god has bad customer service?
Except that we know of no natural process capable of creating ugly gas-guzzling minivans. So even if Dodge is dodging your calls it would be rather illogical to assume that a manufacturer doesn't exist, just because you can't get in touch with them.
It is, however, a rather bad move of God to remain out of contact for so very long, seeing how humans tend to kill and torture each other in their disagreements about what God wants. An almighty God could at least drop us some stronger hints so we stop with the mindless destruction.
So no, not the same thing, your analogy fails.
Well if they promise that they will in fact return your calls, and give you a number to call, and an extended warranty then if they don't answer your calls and you can't find them in the phone book or on the internet you can safely assume that they aren't around any more.
I'm confused. Is he saying god runs the customer service department for Dodge? And is 'dodging' his calls? What kind of recovery is he talking about? If they don't exist, how can they answer your calls? If there is no god, then there is no answered prayer. This analogy fails bad. Next time, Ray, try to make some damn sense.
I see. There are still other ways to seek assistance for your vehicle, so what happens when someone's prayer goes unanswered? Really, now - The One True God spends so much time performing *prayers and miracles* and generally catering to people in a privileged country. I'm guessing you'd question the "intellectual capacity" of, say, kids in third world countries that think food is a pipe dream, correct Ray-Ray?
Chrysler customer service can be reached at 800-992-1997.
Do you have a similar number for god? Say, a complaints department?
"The fact of their existence has nothing to do with whether or not they return my calls."
I disagree. If someone doesn't exist, I'd be rather perplexed if they started calling me.
What would be my intellectual capacity if I concluded that it had no manufacturer simply because I couldn’t contact them about the dilemma?
Your analogy is faulty, but let's run with it for a few moments. (Just a word of advice: As an ex-car salesman (Ford), I should tell you that Dodges in general and the Caravan in particular, have a horrible re-sale/trade-in value. You should have spent some time with the Blue Book/Black Book before you made your purchase.)
as if there was no dealership. The problem is, when I take my car to a generic garage, people like you instantly appear and insist loudly and persistently that I absolutely must wait for the dealership to contact me or the repairs will cause me to die.
So you've just admitted that prayer doesn't work.
But according to Matthew 7:7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
So your saying that Jesus lied?
NO HEAVEN FOR YOU!
But to play your game, if I'm in the middle of the desert and my Caravan craps out on me, Am I going to sit there waiting for Dodge to save me? Or am I going to contact Joe's garage in the next town and have them help me. Then once Joe gets me back on the road, am I going to be praising Dodge for how wonderful they are?
Actually, there is little that I can see in this post by way of fundie-ness.
In point of fact, Mr. Comfort explicitly states that he cannot speak for his God and his statement regarding unanswered prayers vs. God's existence is a reasonably intelligent one.
I'm giving this a 2. Some fundie overtones, but nothing too bad.
"What would be my intellectual capacity if I concluded that it had no manufacturer simply because I couldn’t contact them about the dilemma?"
It would be very low because how hard is it to find a car dealer? But we already knew that from your adventures as bananaman.
God apologizes for the unexpectedly high volume of phone calls He is receiving (though he knew from the beginning of time that this would happen and should have created a higher capacity network). To speak to an cherub or low ranking seraph, press '1'. To report a lost or missing soul, press '2'. To arrange payments on an outstanding sin, press '3'. To hear this list again, press '4'.
Dodge Caravan?
Oh, Jesus Chrysler! For the way your god responds to his worshipers he must be The Artless Dodger.
@ Illuminatalie,bblbpltptlbtt
Didn't go far enough with your Dodge analogy there. To be a fair comparison...
Not only did they not return your calls, they don't have a phone number or an office, there is no actual emprical evidence that they exist at all, many of their reputed deeds break the laws of physics, their reputed practices are wonderfully inconsistent, similar stories about other companies which were once widely believed are no largely akcknowledged to have been nonsense and there is a natural method whereby the vehicle would have come into being without any designer.
No, but if they never answer or return your calls, sooner or later you're going to realized that it's stupid to keep psychodialing them, and get on with your life.
So... you're saying prayer works... but God is just lazy and won't return calls? That's the worst fucking excuse I've ever heard for prayer not working.
Tip: praying to something that doesn't exist won't do anything, retard.
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